Dr. Farsalinos on e-cig safety & toxicology
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It pains me when I see a news report about vaping that doesn't give any information on the comparison to cigarettes or put the levels of toxins into perspective, every time I see a new study I read it, the media, they don't understand it and shock and awe people for attention blurting out lab only conditions as normal eg;dry puff conditions and formaldehyde... It's happened with many studies and it's hilarious because every study I've read shows that vapor has negligible toxicity....
Thanks to people like Farsalinos that have a broader audience than I the real information gets out to a lot of people, it's our duty as vapers to spread that truth whether it's telling someone in person or commenting on articles/video's from news sites every little bit counts, every little bit helps....
Thanks to people like Farsalinos that have a broader audience than I the real information gets out to a lot of people, it's our duty as vapers to spread that truth whether it's telling someone in person or commenting on articles/video's from news sites every little bit counts, every little bit helps....
It's a shame all the prominent people that are on our side are not heard as loudly as Stanton Glantz, FDA, Media, politicians and the public. It falls on deaf ears purposely because otherwise if they did listen they would lose money. They don't care how many lives will be lost or diminished. ARGH
Thanks for posting this video!! Everyone should see this, but if you watch it from YouTube there will also be a lot of other great talks from the Global Forum on Nicotine conference given too. Hearing the supportive talks from public health people from the UK is painful, since the UK is taking such a more logical approach to vaping than the US/FDA.
I went on to watch Clive's presentation. In terms of people under the age of majority in their jurisdiction - it actually may be better to allow sales to "otherwise considered under-aged users" (perhaps with parental permission or some-such).
Think about it! As vapers, what could be a better "inoculation" against lifelong smoking than blueberry or custard, or cotton candy flavoured e-liquid? Most "kids" are going to find cleaning and changing or building coils just, "like, too much hassle man", so they are unlikely to carry on vaping for very long. Having tasted how good vapour is, why would they ever, ever consider smoking nasty tasting. combusted tobacco in the future????
Think about it! As vapers, what could be a better "inoculation" against lifelong smoking than blueberry or custard, or cotton candy flavoured e-liquid? Most "kids" are going to find cleaning and changing or building coils just, "like, too much hassle man", so they are unlikely to carry on vaping for very long. Having tasted how good vapour is, why would they ever, ever consider smoking nasty tasting. combusted tobacco in the future????
I recall seeing someones sig here that compared switching from vaping to tobacco cigs to drinking 100 year old brandy but deciding to drink some kind of cheap liquor instead..
We know nic is not habit forming to never smokers because nicotine gum and patches are for sale over the counter. I think kids are attracted to the clouds, not nic, not flavors per se. I think most kids who take up vaping will eventually quit when the novelty wears off. The people who predict vaping is a gateway to smoking never smoked or vaped. They make predictions that won't pan out because they don't know what they are talking about. We already see them doctoring their numbers to get the results they want. Global tobacco sales are $1 trillion. Every penny of that benefits somebody and they know who they are. Drug dealers are cruel and they are liars. Of course they are not going to let their money disappear without a fight.
The fact that something is available over-the-counter is hardly proof that it's not "habit-forming".
Nic gum, patches, and caffeine are socially acceptable habits to have because they don't look like smoking.
I know one person who IS addicted to nic gum. Whether it is psychologically or physically, I don't know. She says she is physically addicted. She chews (chews it like regular gum) it non-stop all day. Uses about 12 or so pieces per day. I've heard and I believe it true, that nic via my vaping is less addictive then via smoking. That's due to the "other" junk they put in cigs. I'm down to .50 mg/ml now. I have achieved near zero nic rather quickly. No way I could have cut back on cigs to this low of nic consumption.
You'd be hard pressed to find any substance considered to be "highly addictive" available OTC, with the exception of caffeine of course
In fact, in 2013 the FDA stated, in the Federal Register, that nicotine is very unlikely to be addictive...
Federal Register | Modifications To Labeling of Nicotine Replacement Therapy Products for Over-the-Counter Human Use
"We also note that although any nicotine-containing product has the potential to be addicting, based on the available evidence, currently marketed OTC NRT products do not appear to have significant potential for abuse or dependence. A 2010 review of historical reports made to the Agency's Adverse Event Reporting System and to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration's Drug Abuse Warning Network between 1984 and 2009 suggested that NRT products have a low potential for abuse. Several published studies have also found that the abuse liability and dependence potential of NRT products is low, especially compared to cigarettes (see West et al., 2000; Houtsmuller et al., 2002)."
Yep, there are quite a few anecdotal accounts like that, including some from never-smokers and people who only smoked for a very short time, who decided they liked the effect(s) of nic, but didn't like smoking.
No other nicotine delivery system gives one the control over nicotine levels that vaping does. Hence the ability we vapers have to tape it down if that's what one choose to do. It isn't even necessary to DIY to do this; it can easily be done by mixing two different nic levels of the same flavor of vendor juice.
Personally, I'm entirely comfortable with my nic (and caffeine!) habits and have no desire to give up either one.
I wonder if the FDA has forgotten their own position on nicotine? Does the labeling for gum and patches say that nicotine is addictive? Online advertising for those with probably disclose that.
She smokes very little. About 1 or 2 a day. Uses an ecig occasionally. She just chews her nic gum like crazy tho.
So she is a smoker, and even if a light smoker she's still a smoker. It's an important distinction when talking about nic dependence.
Based on my experience, if she is actually chewing the gum actively, from the start of each piece, she's only getting any nic for a couple of minutes. If she's chewing each piece for over an hour then she's getting very little nic most of the time. That sounds like a major psychological element.
Recall reading about a study of over 4,000 people who were habituated to nicotine gum and they only found two never smokers. Wish I could find it again...
BMC Public Health
Posted by SmokeyJoe/Oliver here:
Were these guys telling the truth all along?
Over 400 not 4000
Results
Five never smokers used the nicotine gum daily. They had been using the nicotine gum for longer than the 429 ever smokers (median = 6 years vs 0.8 years, p = 0.004), and they had higher NDSS-gum Tolerance scores (median = 0.73 vs = -1.0, p = 0.03), a difference of 1.5 standard deviation units. Two never smokers had never used smokeless tobacco, both answered "extremely true" to: "I use nicotine gums because I am addicted to them", both "fully agreed" with: "after a few hours without chewing a nicotine gum, I feel an irresistible urge to chew one" and: "I am a prisoner of nicotine gum".
Conclusion
This is to our knowledge the first report of addiction to nicotine gum in never users of tobacco. However, this phenomenon is rare, and although the long-term effect of nicotine gum is unknown, this product is significantly less harmful than tobacco.
Over 400 not 4000
My bad!
Edit: in reading it only two were true never tobacco users so I at least got that right. One of the five had used snuff and another described herself as a social smoker. Does not count as a never smoker to me even if she never bought one. Oddly no details on number five.
And saved a local copy with a much more descriptive name than 1471-2458-7-159
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