Dr. Gil Ross (ACSH): California’s Public Health Lies About E-Cigarettes Will Kill Smokers

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Kent C

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Brilliant article labels CA DPH obscene lies about vaping "scientific abomination" and calls for the immediate retraction of all the offensive #curbit materials.

California’s Public Health Lies About E-Cigarettes Will Kill Smokers | The Daily Caller

Good... except THR'ers should stop using this lie:
public health problem: it is estimated that almost a half-million of us will succumb prematurely

As long as they continue spreading ANTZ propaganda, they demean their cause and themselves.
 

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Good... except THR'ers should stop using this lie:
public health problem: it is estimated that almost a half-million of us will succumb prematurely

As long as they continue spreading ANTZ propaganda, they demean their cause and themselves.

While I agree the number is suspect, I'd simply cite the source of the number "_fill in the blank_ officials claim that almost half a million will die" then hoist them by their own petard. If they make the claim that half a million will die while there is an effective, alternative means of harm reduction which they discount or dismiss, then they should have to answer to why they take that stance given the number of lives they say will be lost.
 

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Good... except THR'ers should stop using this lie:
public health problem: it is estimated that almost a half-million of us will succumb prematurely

As long as they continue spreading ANTZ propaganda, they demean their cause and themselves.

Yes, vapers have recently incurred scathing criticism for parroting ANTZ propaganda and throwing smokers under the bus:
http://jredheadgirl.blogspot.com/2015/01/thoughts-on-new-orleans-smoking-ban.html

We cannot afford to alienate the only real allies we have. We were all smokers not long ago, and ANTZ sure don't see vapers any different.
 

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We cannot afford to alienate the only real allies we have.

If they lie and use ANTZ propaganda, they aren't 'real allies'. If they truly want to help, then they should tell the truth. There is no reason for them not to drop the 480,000/yr death line. The sad truth is that they used that same line before ecigs, when they were mere ANTZ (although of the THR variety) in an PR effort to stop smoking and that near half a million figure was used in the 70's and 80's (and since) while the number of smokers have dropped from above 40% to 17% ... belying their 'public health' effectiveness wrt to deaths as they see it. Any other 'experts' would be laughed out of their profession with the same 'stats'. The number was inflated then and is super-inflated now as some of the more credible 'allies' - Brad Rodu and Cato Institute has pointed out in a link I posted in some other thread.
 

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While I agree the number is suspect, I'd simply cite the source of the number "_fill in the blank_ officials claim that almost half a million will die" then hoist them by their own petard. If they make the claim that half a million will die while there is an effective, alternative means of harm reduction which they discount or dismiss, then they should have to answer to why they take that stance given the number of lives they say will be lost.

I think it works as a rhetorical device but must be clearly stipulated as such. Otherwise, it does read as "I'm from the vaping community, but I parrot ANTZ logic in hopes of helping all vapers."

It ought to be stated along lines of, "according to the propagandists, half a million people will die this year from smoking. These same propagandists tell us about the grave dangers that come from vaping, while also saying the data is inconclusive. Whereas real science continues to weigh in weekly on eCigs and has been shut down on the other bit of data regarding smoking/smokers. Please don't let real science be shut down on vaping, which is clearly helping reduce cigarette consumption and in many cases leading to cessation where some smokers would've sworn, just a decade ago, that such a feat was impossible."

If stick to parroting with out stipulating that you are using it as a rhetorical device, then I'm thinking in 10 to 30 years, you may be one who is touting the idea that vaping kills 200,000 people yearly. Cause surely vapers will one day die and ANTZ will make it abundantly clear that their death was caused by vaping.
 
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