Dry Burning Advice

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zoiDman

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I thanked you for clearing it all up. What more do you want?

If you asked an expert than it has to be true for all people and all situations. Right?

All I was doing was posting what I have found and know. Maybe if You would try what I am saying than your atty will last 3 maybe 4 years.
 

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no, i will not the discuss with you any longer, your last post showed me clearly that you don't ever accept anything i may throw at you. you are still mocking around, and i feel insulted from your posts about your barbeque coals.

my english language skills are lacking, and i'm not able to give you any more hints.
i hope you enjoy your victory about nothing.
 

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I have heard people with long lasting attys, for the record, but mistakes are made. If a method works for you, that's that.

But I digress... I am pro-dry burn. I dry burn whenever I change my flavors with a certain atty. I just puff away the excess smoke in 3-4 second spurts until the coil is an orange glow for about five seconds and it's good to go. Once I'm done dry burning I blow out the excess smoke and lube up the atty. If I use an atty all day, and the next day it's not running well, I'll run a dry-burn. Has worked wonders for me.
 

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FWIW, I also gently blow down on my hot coil when dry burning to keep its heat in check. I've always been worried to let it glow bright orange hot. I don't do it everytime, but more often than not. I've yet to loose an atty. I've noticed that if there is a burnt smell or taste that it probably comes from the wick. I say that because my debridged/dewicked attys don't do that anymore.

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Funny, I watched a video of someone blowing on the coils during a dry burn, so I did that tonight. Two atties popped on me immediately. Wish I had read this sooner.

For those who do this with no problem, and have atties that last more than just a month or two, please tell me which atties to buy and where to get them...
 

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Funny, I watched a video of someone blowing on the coils during a dry burn, so I did that tonight. Two atties popped on me immediately. Wish I had read this sooner.

For those who do this with no problem, and have atties that last more than just a month or two, please tell me which atties to buy and where to get them...

Sorry to hear about what happened. I'm sure you can understand why I posted what I did in this thread.
 

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Definitely a worthwhile warning. When I blew on the coils, I saw that it lit up the coils much, much brighter, and tons more smoke was coming off of it and it took it much longer to cool down. There is no debate for me that blowing on the coils increases the heat, I saw it with my own eyes.

It could be that higher resistance atties can put up with it, but blowing on the coils was clearly the end for my LRs...
 

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That was the most polite argument i have ever witnessed!

Anyway in my opinion blowing on the coil while energizing isnt gonna harm much as long as you dont over do it because you are still applying power and as one person already said really just making your battery try harder. However i believe that when you blow it while still hot but after letting go of the battery you "super cool" the coil causing it to contract quickly. This , IMO, helps in the cleaning process but also may shorten the life span because you are expanding and contracting the metal faster.

Maybe one of the "Old Schoolers" can chime in and let me know if im thinking correctly.
 

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Definitely a worthwhile warning. When I blew on the coils, I saw that it lit up the coils much, much brighter, and tons more smoke was coming off of it and it took it much longer to cool down. There is no debate for me that blowing on the coils increases the heat, I saw it with my own eyes.

It could be that higher resistance atties can put up with it, but blowing on the coils was clearly the end for my LRs...

Yeah... I've seen that movie to. And it had the same bad ending for me as it did for you.

You blow on the atty with the button down. The coil goes from a happy Orange glow to a Furious Yellow rage, just like BBQ coals do. Tons of smoke is filling the room and then, POP, your atty is Dead. The worst is when it doesn't pop right then and there. It holds on just long enough for you to put on a cart and then dies when you leave the house on some errand.

Next time you think you should dry burn an atty try soaking it in White Vinegar for 45 minutes of so. Many times this eliminates the need for a dry burn. And if you do dry burn it, most of the gunk is dissolved off the wick making the dry burn less traumatic for the coil wire.



That was the most polite argument i have ever witnessed!

Anyway in my opinion blowing on the coil while energizing isnt gonna harm much as long as you dont over do it because you are still applying power and as one person already said really just making your battery try harder. However i believe that when you blow it while still hot but after letting go of the battery you "super cool" the coil causing it to contract quickly. This , IMO, helps in the cleaning process but also may shorten the life span because you are expanding and contracting the metal faster.

Maybe one of the "Old Schoolers" can chime in and let me know if im thinking correctly.

I really wasn't trying to piss anyone off. I just didn't want someone who has not had much experience with atty's to think that blowing on one when the power button is down and the coil is glowing orange is not without dangers.

Notice I said when the button is down. Blow on it until the cows come home once the coil stops glowing. But be Extremely careful blowing on an atty if the coil is glowing.
 

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Anyway in my opinion blowing on the coil while energizing isnt gonna harm much as long as you dont over do it because you are still applying power and as one person already said really just making your battery try harder. However i believe that when you blow it while still hot but after letting go of the battery you "super cool" the coil causing it to contract quickly. This , IMO, helps in the cleaning process but also may shorten the life span because you are expanding and contracting the metal faster.

Maybe one of the "Old Schoolers" can chime in and let me know if im thinking correctly.

I am not really old school, but I have a method that a) makes scientific sense to me, and b) works consistently.

This is exactly what I think is happening... a gentle puff of air while energizing the coil will speed the burning off of residue by increasing available oxygen, overdoing it may cause a very hot coil. Overheating the coil will shorten its life, or may melt the plastic air holes closed, and create a draw problem.

Blowing after releasing the power button is bad. It causes the coil to cool rapidly, causing rapid contraction, which will weaken or eventually break the coil.

Personally, for my LR atties, I use a method described in another thread here, that aims at keeping a consistent, but not too hot dry-burn temp.
1. Hot water rinse, air dry if there is time.
2. Use a bigger battery, (mod?) Dry burning with a standard bat is probably going to over stress the battery.
3. Cycle the power button for a few long presses, 3-4 secs on, < 1 sec off, until you see either the very first sign of glow, or lots of smoke.
4. Short power bursts for 15 - 20 seconds to maintain that temp. On-off-on-off a few times a second, with enough air puffs to clear the smoke.
5. Stop blowing, and allow it to air-cool for at least a minute before using.

My atties either break in the first few days, disappear to the vape-faeries, or break when I drop my ecig, clumsy me. I have only popped one attomizer during a dry burn, and it was before I started using this consistent temp methodology.
 

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Sounds like a Very Good technique to me...

The only thing I would suggest is trying the Vinegar soak before step one.

I have tried the vinegar soak, and can attest that it does work well. It definitely decreases the amount of smoke coming off the atomizer, which to me indicates a reduction of the amount of residue burning off. Personally, it adds a little bit more time and complexity to the process, so I usually skip it. Call me lazy, as well as clumsy :)
 

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I have tried the vinegar soak, and can attest that it does work well. It definitely decreases the amount of smoke coming off the atomizer, which to me indicates a reduction of the amount of residue burning off. Personally, it adds a little bit more time and complexity to the process, so I usually skip it. Call me lazy, as well as clumsy :)

I think the Best Technique is the one that works for you.

I like the Vinegar soak because you really can over do it or under do it. I've had clogged, fouled up atty's that I have soaked for 2 hours that didn't give of Any smoke what so ever during dry burn.

That and Vinegar is dirt cheap and stays in the house longer. PGA or Vodka tends to disappear quickly. Especially when I have Dr. Pepper and Ice laying around.
 
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