Dry vs Wet

[binaryman]

I would imagine that vaping should have a dry sensation similar to smoking. But their are times I get this rich wet sense that I like but not sure how to duplicate it.

I am using clearomizers. I thought the wet sense would come from overfilling the clearomizer or liquid leaking and getting on the drip tip side of the inner rubber piece (that's the only piece separating the atomizer).

The other thought is that the dry feeling maybe due to the wick not getting saturated enough. I have tried fluffing the wick but am not sure that is working.

I find I am some what successful in my attempts to duplicate a wet sensation when I toke hard, short and quick on the drip tip with tongue. I imagine that is drawing juice above the rubber seal (through the holes).. Or it just results in me holding the manual button down longer.. *shakes head*.. I don't know.

Any feedback on this would be appreciated.

Also is their an art to how long to hold down on the manual switch to get optimal performance ?

I have researched the site and there is alot of information overload here, combined with the video reviews so I apologize for not finding the answers to posts that might have already addressed this. I did find a couple of posts but they didn't seem to tackle the issues as I described them.

 

[Stownz]

The ce2r4s are a little tricky. They are definately a breed of their own compared to every other carto out there. I usually don't pull juice through the mouthpiece on these models. On other models you get the tingling sensation from the nicotine on your lips + bad taste of eating juice vs vaping it.

Is the dry feeling accompanied by a Burning ruber taste? If so, that is the nature of this CE2 beast. These things are absolutely amazing when you use a very thin juice and the voltage is set right to the ohms you are using. If you get this combo wrong, they will wick very bad and you will burn the juice and hate life because it tastes so bad.

There is no real art to holding down the button. At higher voltages you can definately vape faster. If you dont have a Variable voltage PV, then you hold it as long as it takes to get the filled sensation in your mouth without going crazy and burning up your carto.

 

[binaryman]

The ce2r4s are a little tricky. They are definately a breed of their own compared to every other carto out there. I usually don't pull juice through the mouthpiece on these models. On other models you get the tingling sensation from the nicotine on your lips + bad taste of eating juice vs vaping it.

Is the dry feeling accompanied by a Burning ruber taste? If so, that is the nature of this CE2 beast. These things are absolutely amazing when you use a very thin juice and the voltage is set right to the ohms you are using. If you get this combo wrong, they will wick very bad and you will burn the juice and hate life because it tastes so bad.

There is no real art to holding down the button. At higher voltages you can definately vape faster. If you dont have a Variable voltage PV, then you hold it as long as it takes to get the filled sensation in your mouth without going crazy and burning up your carto.

Thanks for the response Stownz.

I am using 2.4ohm clearomizers and 3.0 ohm XL clearomizers with 100% VG @ 3.7volts on my vGO 510.

There are times I get a burning rubber taste. Perhaps that is due to holding the manual button to long.. I don't know. It's also possible that while searching for the perfect juice I might have inadvertantly got a bottle that isn't 100% VG.

I do know that if I don't clean those wicks well or clean it thoroughly enough that the flavor of the different juices tend to run together.

Thanks again for the response!

 

[Stownz]

The 100% VG is the killer. More then likely going to have to dilute that down with some PGA (I use Everclear) to make it wick better. 100% VG is hard as hell on every cartomizer out there, it is just soo thick. A lot of suppliers already stick some water or PGA in your mixes, so its hard to tell how much you need to add. If you have a clear bottle of 100%PG you can swish it around in the bottle and compare viscosity there as a reference point.

Before I had the MAP tanks, and still used the ce2s, all I ran through them was 100% PG juice. VG is MUCH thicker then PG. If you have some PG base juice laying around, you can try that also. With the MAP tanks, wicking is no longer an issue.

 

[binaryman]

The 100% VG is the killer. More then likely going to have to dilute that down with some PGA (I use Everclear) to make it wick better. 100% VG is hard as hell on every cartomizer out there, it is just soo thick. A lot of suppliers already stick some water or PGA in your mixes, so its hard to tell how much you need to add. If you have a clear bottle of 100%PG you can swish it around in the bottle and compare viscosity there as a reference point.

Before I had the MAP tanks, and still used the ce2s, all I ran through them was 100% PG juice. VG is MUCH thicker then PG. If you have some PG base juice laying around, you can try that also. With the MAP tanks, wicking is no longer an issue.

WOW, and I thought it was the opposite!! Well that explains alot! I thought VG was the preferred liquid for clearomizers.

One thing that I found was that if I let the clearomizer sit for a while it tended to get thicker. I thought this might be attributed to air getting to it and it starting to dry up but I am not sure.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[arjay55]

binaryman, you could try holding your clearo's almost horizontal and give them a few turns before vaping. This will ensure the wicks are saturated, thereby giving an optimum vape.

I class a great working CE2 by its ability to vape readily in the vertical/upright position. But they are the exception rather than the norm.

Mind you, I have some regular length clearos at the moment that are outstanding. Same ohm-age as yours and I use them with both eGo batteries (3.2v) and VGO batteries (3.7v). They are good to the last drop and then you can see it drying up the wick. Aaaah, if only they all did this.

 

[Katatonik]

I find clearomizers to give a better vapor than regular cartomizers.
It's a learning curve, but once you figure out to use them, you can get that great wet vapor feel to them, that seems to be impossible for me to get in regular 510's

 

[binaryman]

Stownz, Arjay55 and Katatonik. I appreciate your feedback. I am finding through experience the very things you mention.

Can any of you identify with some findings I have ?

I saw a youtube video on a simple mod (not sure what the link was), where the illustrator took the inner rubber seal off the cup and turned it upside down. That was it.

At first I thought this as a great solution, it let the juice surround the cup but I thought the rubber seal, even though upside down would keep the juice from leaking through on the coils.

It worked great but occasionally I get that gurgling sound as juice would escape from behind the seal. That was ok also. I could live with it. I was using 100% VG.

Then I tried some PG/VG combinations because I thought I was having throat irritation from pure VG (that turned out to just be an irritant to an existing cold I believe).

I found that since the juice was thinner, it was escaping into the cap more easily. And I couldn't explain why the battery connection to the clearomizer kept getting wet with juice because I was controlling from leaking at the top.

Then I realized that if I take the clearomizer off the battery, I can blow straight through it.

So that leads me to believe that I need to refrain from using the inner seal upside down for the thinner juices.

I liked using that mod because I didn't have to worry about choking off the wick.

In summary, I believe it's true that thinner juice wicks better than the thicker juice. And depending on which kind you use will indicate how you need to maintain the clearomizer to keep the wick saturated but not overly so.

 

[arjay55]

I posted some time ago about modifying the actual filler ring (the one that goes over the ceramic cup) by making the inner hole a little larger for easier draw and more volume of airflow. I used a 5mm hole punch for this job (but you could use a 4mm if you want to be safer). It still allows the ceramic cup to be sealed off on top but allows much more breathing space.

I also enlarged the two notches on the sides of the filler ring just a little using the same punch. It's really just a nibble but it makes the notches arc shaped so they don't pinch the wicks so much. It's not enough to allow the juice to leak in though.

The ones that have been modified are on the bottom row.

What it also does is make the ring way more flexible and easier to remove and replace, so its a win win really. I only use these if there is a juice I have trouble with (too thin) otherwise I use the inverted middle ring which I also have modified with a 4mm hole punch.

If you have some spare silicon rings it could be worth a try.

Let me know. {

 

[binaryman]

I posted some time ago about modifying the actual filler ring (the one that goes over the ceramic cup) by making the inner hole a little larger for easier draw and more volume of airflow. I used a 5mm hole punch for this job (but you could use a 4mm if you want to be safer). It still allows the ceramic cup to be sealed off on top but allows much more breathing space.

I also enlarged the two notches on the sides of the filler ring just a little using the same punch. It's really just a nibble but it makes the notches arc shaped so they don't pinch the wicks so much. It's not enough to allow the juice to leak in though.

The ones that have been modified are on the bottom row.

What it also does is make the ring way more flexible and easier to remove and replace, so its a win win really. I only use these if there is a juice I have trouble with (too thin) otherwise I use the inverted middle ring which I also have modified with a 4mm hole punch.

If you have some spare silicon rings it could be worth a try.

Let me know. {

WOW, Thank you for the tip!! I will definitely try that and let you know.

I was using a 50/50 mix today , so I decided not to invert the seal but it just seemed to choke it off too much (the juice from the wick), then I switched back to 100% VG and inverted it again. I had a better experience with it that way but I try not to turn it horizontal beyond the wick. (I was going to go buy a candle holder for night time resting).

Yea, the benefit for me was ease of getting the seal out and back in, and also to get the wick better saturated.

I will try it tomorrow (when I wake up) and see how it works out.

NICE!