Constant dry hits with wet wicks

[crxess]

Tight enough that it holds it down but does not snap the leads off.

Edit: oh the rda, snug not tight.

Gotcha.
So, we have Multipul tanks? on Multipul Mods? with Multipul Builds? and nothing is working? This is also with multipul liquids? and Different types of Wick(Brands)?

Did you clean everything at the same time? Is it possible you contaminated everything?

*Note - No Air Flow when firing should always cause the Center to Rapidly Dry First.
Air Flow helps disburse Heat. If it still over heats with Air flow, Turn it down. If it still overheats, Question what is going on with the Mod and turn it down further.

Wattage Delivered should only be as high as needed to Smoothly Vaporize the e-liquid. Whether it be 8 watts or 150 watts - Build dependent.

 

[Xboxsux22]

Gotcha.
So, we have Multipul Tanks? on Multipul Mods? with Multipul Builds? and nothing is working? This is also with multipul liquids? and Different types of Wick(Brands)?

Did you clean everything at the same time? Is it possible you contaminated everything?

*Note - No Air Flow when firing should always cause the Center to Rapidly Dry First.
Air Flow helps disburse Heat. If it still over heats with Air flow, Turn it down. If it still overheats, Question what is going on with the Mod and turn it down further.

Wattage Delivered should only be as high as needed to Smoothly Vaporize the e-liquid. Whether it be 8 watts or 150 watts - Build dependent.

Contamination could be possible. But my kanthal is rolled up and I usually grab a new wick.

I also adjusted my airflow multiple times from the tightest to the widest.

What I can tell is that no matter the gauge, it ramps down pretty slow. 32 shouldn't ramp down the same as 26. (Should it?) the only time it ramped up and down quickly is when I got a short and the legs break off. Not sure if this could be the problem but explains why after every puff, the coils boils and hiss for a few seconds. For the past few builds, it was mostly trying to fix this.

 

[f1vefour]

32g should cool off enough not to sizzle about a second after releasing the fire button.

Could you make a short video showing what is happening?

 

[Xboxsux22]

Not much can be seen through video since it is really small, but i'll try my best to explain it.

Once I let go, sizzling can be heard for about 3-4 seconds. Sometimes longer. Wick is still saturated upon inspection and small exploding bubbles can be seen. You can even hear the even smaller bubbles just popping on the coils after the more visible ones. Kinda like boiling water, but less. So just imagine small bubbles just cooking away juice on your coils.

Although the sizzling may not be the problem to why I am getting burnt hits, it could be causing it happen.

 

[f1vefour]

Sizzling is normal, the thicker the wire (more mass to cool) the longer it will sizzle after releasing the fire button.

I just tested. I hit fire and let it heat up, release and this 28g SS sizzles for 4 seconds. Both on a dripper and a Kayfun.

 

[Xboxsux22]

Sizzling is normal, the thicker the wire (more mass to cool) the longer it will sizzle after releasing the fire button.

I just tested. I hit fire and let it heat up, release and this 28g SS sizzles for 4 seconds. Both on a dripper and a Kayfun.

Well. Then I honestly have no idea what the issue is.

 

[vapdivrr]

Does your mod/mods also have a voltage mode?

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[Xboxsux22]

Does your mod/mods also have a voltage mode?

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

No sadly. Haven't own one since I got my dna30.

 

[vapdivrr]

Sizzling is normal, the thicker the wire (more mass to cool) the longer it will sizzle after releasing the fire button.

I just tested. I hit fire and let it heat up, release and this 28g SS sizzles for 4 seconds. Both on a dripper and a Kayfun.

I don't really vape drippers, so I can't say for sure, but a 4 second sizzle doesn't sound right. At least with my rtas, the sizzle sound is optimal for maybe 1 second, no longer. If I under wick my coil, the sizzle prolongs and no doubt after a few more vapes a dry hit will occur. Now maybe because it's a dripper, you have much more juice and this over sizzle can be controlled and the dry hit won't happen. I also have found, although not as common, that too much cotton can prolong the sizzle as well. But in any case 4 seconds sounds like alot to me .

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[vapdivrr]

Op, you asked if 32 should cool off quicker then 26? I think if both coils are of the same resistance and same wattage, then both should be fairly close.

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[vapdivrr]

With all that sizzling going on, it just seems so much like a wicking issue. I know you said you have tried less and more, but how much more? Personally I like to use as little as possible depending on my particular tank but "my more" vs someone else's can vary alot. I usually like a wick job that is more then snug in the coil which often times is too much for the tails(which I trim down). I like the shoulders of the wick to be broad instead of droopy. Here again, these experiences are in rta's, so this all can be a little different. Also you mentioned about hot leggs? Is this always occuring? I mean your coil is glowing all the way to posts? Even with a good contact coil?

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[Xboxsux22]

With all that sizzling going on, it just seems so much like a wicking issue. I know you said you have tried less and more, but how much more? Personally I like to use as little as possible depending on my particular tank but "my more" vs someone else's can vary alot. I usually like a wick job that is more then snug in the coil which often times is too much for the tails(which I trim down). I like the shoulders of the wick to be broad instead of droopy. Here again, these experiences are in rta's, so this all can be a little different. Also you mentioned about hot leggs? Is this always occuring? I mean your coil is glowing all the way to posts? Even with a good contact coil?

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

Yes sir, the coils are glowing evenly to the posts.

If it really is a wicking issue, then thats really odd. I did a 3 wrap coil coming in at 0.4 ohms, so that it doesn't choke wick. But the performance wasn't any better. I noticed hot spots from this build but I think its because the wick is burnt black from firing too long. Thats without vaping. The center coils burns the wick black even though it does not look bone dry at all. Just slightly saturated before it happens. Not sure if this is normal.

I did get better performance with micro coils, using the least amount of wick I can. But after awhile, the quality of vape dropped and burnt hits occur much sooner even though the wicks are fully saturated.

 

[crxess]

Now it seems to be affecting all my attys. Really strange why I am the only one facing this weird phenomenon, ever since I've gotten the alliance.

All? Thought you only had the Two RDA's? Are you now having Tanks effected?

I did NOT see anything about working this out on another mod. Are you still doing all of this on the Snow Wolf Mini?

Does anyone know if the SW-mini actually has Step-down?(Buck)???

I have read back and can not find any mention of Testing these Atomizers on another Device. How do you know the Snow Wolf is not the issue?

26Ga,
3MM Wraps
4Wraps
.6ohm
Hot at 24 watts

26ga.
3mm wraps
6 wraps
.8ohm
Hot at 30w

Once I let go, sizzling can be heard for about 3-4 seconds. Sometimes longer. Wick is still saturated upon inspection and small exploding bubbles can be seen.

This has less to do with build at this point and more to do with excessive heating.

You need to test on a different device - AFTER CLEANING
You also need to stick to a Simple build - 6 wrap 2.5mm-3mm coil(consistently) until solved.

How long are your Draws(seconds)
Do you release power before ending draw? - How long?

I am seriously starting to believe the issue is(was) not the Atomizer, but is being compounded by the missed cause.

 

[Xboxsux22]

All? Thought you only had the Two RDA's? Are you now having Tanks effected?

I did NOT see anything about working this out on another mod. Are you still doing all of this on the Snow Wolf Mini?

Does anyone know if the SW-mini actually has Step-down?(Buck)???

I have read back and can not find any mention of Testing these Atomizers on another Device. How do you know the Snow Wolf is not the issue?

26Ga,
3MM Wraps
4Wraps
.6ohm
Hot at 24 watts

26ga.
3mm wraps
6 wraps
.8ohm
Hot at 30w



This has less to do with build at this point and more to do with excessive heating.

You need to test on a different device - AFTER CLEANING
You also need to stick to a Simple build - 6 wrap 2.5mm-3mm coil(consistently) until solved.

How long are your Draws(seconds)
Do you release power before ending draw? - How long?

I am seriously starting to believe the issue is(was) not the Atomizer, but is being compounded by the missed cause.

I have a subox and have tested it on both the subox and snow wolf mini. My draws is usually 3-4 seconds. I release power once I stop my draw. I have boiled the alliance yesterday as well.

Sry if my post is getting a little lengthy. Will try to provide as much infomation as I can.

 

[bsidb]

I think your wick is dryer than you think it is when you look at it and need to drip more often, the tails being wet is great but if the coil is dry and you fire it you will get what you been getting, you could drip it full and count out the dropps and count the hits and use that as a kinda guide till you can taste the difference telling you when to drip or buy a tank

 

[Xboxsux22]

I think your wick is dryer than you think it is when you look at it and need to drip more often, the tails being wet is great but if the coil is dry and you fire it you will get what you been getting, you could drip it full and count out the dropps and count the hits and use that as a kinda guide till you can taste the difference telling you when to drip or buy a tank

Thats usually what I do. I really don't mind the wick being wet, it is only when I am getting lesser and lesser hits where it bothers me. I am considering a tank but like what crxess said, I agree that the problem might not be the atomizer anymore and is something else.

 

[vapdivrr]

I agree with one thing, for continued tests, keep to a simple coil, around 2.5mm with at least 6 wraps. Although it might not be the issue, a 3 or 4 wrap coil is not optimal , especially when the 2 outer wraps are not in full contact. With your power levels, a 1 ohm coil should be good. I also think a contact coil can lead to less of the hot leg issues

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

 

[crxess]

I agree with one thing, for continued tests, keep to a simple coil, around 2.5mm with at least 6 wraps. Although it might not be the issue, a 3 or 4 wrap coil is not optimal , especially when the 2 outer wraps are not in full contact. With your power levels, a 1 ohm coil should be good. I also think a contact coil can lead to less of the hot leg issues

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

I agree with this 100% until you figure things out. Contact coil is not a bad idea at this point either.

* Also wanted to suggest, when Dripping - Don't Flood the coil. on most of my RDA's I pull the cap and drip to the well. Let the wick do its job.
This way, you know for a fact if packing is to tight or not.

Still concerned about the extended cooling time at such low wattage.

 

[f1vefour]

I don't really vape drippers, so I can't say for sure, but a 4 second sizzle doesn't sound right. At least with my rtas, the sizzle sound is optimal for maybe 1 second, no longer. If I under wick my coil, the sizzle prolongs and no doubt after a few more vapes a dry hit will occur. Now maybe because it's a dripper, you have much more juice and this over sizzle can be controlled and the dry hit won't happen. I also have found, although not as common, that too much cotton can prolong the sizzle as well. But in any case 4 seconds sounds like alot to me .

Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk

It's right, I didn't inhale just fired until hot. I don't use cotton I use rayon. If I pull on it and let go the sizzle lasts about two seconds.

It's not a loud sizzle, I have to stick the drip tip to my ear to hear it.

 

[McAnythingReally]

My personal take on this, and dont quote this as fact or science or anything like that:
What kind of cotton wick are you using? Organic Japanese? Koh Gen Do? Puff? Store brand?
The reason I ask this is that I found a similar experience(Dry hits/Burnt/Harsh) using Japanese Cotton, and looking at the wicks they would still be fairly soaked throughout. I switched to using Rayon and Cotton Bacon V2 and since then I have had no issues with dry hitting all the way up until the cotton is bone dry and white again.
For some reason I found Japanese cotton to hold juice in the wick, but not continue to move it to the coil. This was through multiple times of trial and error, and different techniques(Scottish roll, ITEO, less cotton, more cotton, peeling the outer layers, not peeling the outer layers). Try a different wick such as Rayon and see if that helps to alleviate some of the issues you are having.

Once all the hot spots, shorts, and hot legs are worked out, it really comes down to the wicking material you use and how its packed into the coils.