DSE601 THROAT HIT tecnique

[The Doc]

People say the throat hit is weak on the DSE601, but there is a tecnique for improving throat hit with ANY pipe. short puff, inhale some air, another short puff, inhale some more air then one more hard puff, then open your mouth slightly and INHALE BRISKLY.......all within a few seconds.....it gives MAJOR VAPOR and much better throat hit that way. You'll never get that kind of vaping volume from an ecig!

Another method is to remove the jewel cap and intermittlently carburete the air miture with your hand/fingers. I sometimes use a combination of the two tecniques and get very improved throat hits. This is a very old trick that comes from all the pipe smoking I did years ago. I used to LOVE that Borkum Riff Cherry cavendish....MMMMMM!

 

[Fonzy]

hey, you get your 601 working good again?

thanks for the tip, im trying what shawn suggested to you tonight on my pipe tonight, see if that helps me any.

sounds weird, but i only get monster vapor off it anymore when i hold it upside down ;/.

 

[breakfastchef]

The DSE601 produces great vapor as long as the battery is putting out +3.8v. As soon as I see vapor production fall or I need more than three primer puffs to pre-heat the atomizer for a good draw, I change the battery. I probably cycle through 3 or 4 batteries per day.

If you have vaped on 5v or 6v devices, you understand that the DSE601 does not produce strong throat hit. A stong flavored e-liquid at higher nic content certainly does improve the throat hit, though. The best thraot hit on the e-pipe is through a direct ling inhale of 8-12 seconds. All comments are from personal experience.

 

[Carlos49]

The DSE601 produces great vapor as long as the battery is putting out +3.8v. As soon as I see vapor production fall or I need more than three primer puffs to pre-heat the atomizer for a good draw, I change the battery. I probably cycle through 3 or 4 batteries per day.

If you have vaped on 5v or 6v devices, you understand that the DSE601 does not produce strong throat hit. A stong flavored e-liquid at higher nic content certainly does improve the throat hit, though. The best thraot hit on the e-pipe is through a direct ling inhale of 8-12 seconds. All comments are from personal experience.

I have to agree with you 110% if you want a good throat hit go with a higher nic. I have found that I have to do "cleaning cycles" more often now that the atty is older.(still on my first one since May of heavy use) One other thing I have found out,the hard way, is to not let your pipe sit for long periods of time with the cart installed, at least with mine. It seems like the e-juice thickens (or cloggs) and it is real hard to draw when I get back to it. It may be something else but as soon as I heat it up a bit it goes back to normal.

 

[The Doc]

hey, you get your 601 working good again?

thanks for the tip, im trying what shawn suggested to you tonight on my pipe tonight, see if that helps me any.

sounds weird, but i only get monster vapor off it anymore when i hold it upside down ;/.

My DSE601 is working better in terms of airflow now.....and yes, you definitely need to let yours drain. Just pull EVERYTHING out/off of the pipe. Pull the battery, cap, motuhpiece & cart. Stick it in one of those little glass bottles you find in supermarket in 4 -packs of StarBucks iced coffee. I am using similar bottles from the iced coffee found at ALDI. As an added measure, you can use a heat gun to "pre-warm" the pipe body in the lower region where the atty stem meets up with the lower bowl...but don't overdo it. Let it sit overnight in a very warm room where there is no air conditioning. One might even pre-warm it in a stove, but be very discreet as to how much heat is used and for what duration. Don't let it get to the boiling point!

Unfortunately, my atty is already NOT what it was just a week ago...but you do need to let these pipes drain when not in use.

 

[The Doc]

The DSE601 produces great vapor as long as the battery is putting out +3.8v. As soon as I see vapor production fall or I need more than three primer puffs to pre-heat the atomizer for a good draw, I change the battery. I probably cycle through 3 or 4 batteries per day.

If you have vaped on 5v or 6v devices, you understand that the DSE601 does not produce strong throat hit. A stong flavored e-liquid at higher nic content certainly does improve the throat hit, though. The best thraot hit on the e-pipe is through a direct ling inhale of 8-12 seconds. All comments are from personal experience.

Very interesting indeed to see the PV's that you are using...ESPECIALLY the homebrewed rig with the BE112 atty. I have heard that the BE112 atty is THE BEST atty to use as a replacement in another popular pipe of very small size (pipe name unmentionable here, as I've learned). I just have to WONDER how LONG the BE112 will hold up at those higher volatges, in the 5VDC to 6VDC range. I would have no problem making a homebrewed PV...or even making some "external power source modifications" to some very small pipes I have. Any more feedback on the longevity of these attys at higher voltage would certainly be interesting to hear about. I'm also curious as to just how much voltage you can pump into a BE112 atty without causing it to wear out or burn up prematurely.

 

[The Doc]

I have to agree with you 110% if you want a good throat hit go with a higher nic. I have found that I have to do "cleaning cycles" more often now that the atty is older.(still on my first one since May of heavy use) One other thing I have found out,the hard way, is to not let your pipe sit for long periods of time with the cart installed, at least with mine. It seems like the e-juice thickens (or cloggs) and it is real hard to draw when I get back to it. It may be something else but as soon as I heat it up a bit it goes back to normal.

Great observations & thanks for sharing. I have found that my DSE601 simply works better when it is ALWAYS stored in an upright position, with the mouthpiece at the lowest point of gravity. As mentioned in my other comments here, I set mine in a small glass bottle with a wide mouth...the type that Iced Coffee comes in when purchased at the supermarket. I've also found that the carts can usually stay in the pipe with minimal (if any) trouble when stored in this particular position. It does still take some puffing to get them going as you stated. They do undoubtedly work best when fully warmed.

 

[breakfastchef]

I just have to WONDER how LONG the BE112 will hold up at those higher volatges, in the 5VDC to 6VDC range.

The BE112 is a very good atomizer and tends to burn fairly hot. I see a 25% decrease in the life of this atomizer at 5+v. Even when I rotate three devices at once, I still tend to vape the atomizer too hot and that is likely shortening its lifespan. Sitting in front of a computer is the worst time as I tend to chain vape. That puts a lot of stress on my attys.

 

[The Doc]

The BE112 is a very good atomizer and tends to burn fairly hot. I see a 25% decrease in the life of this atomizer at 5+v. Even when I rotate three devices at once, I still tend to vape the atomizer too hot and that is likely shortening its lifespan. Sitting in front of a computer is the worst time as I tend to chain vape. That puts a lot of stress on my attys.

Funny you should mention the +5VDC thing. I recently acquired 3 small pipes I got on clearance from a guy in NY. The included attys are very similar to the BE112 (but not as good, I'm sure). They need more airflow, because the 2 rear atty carb holes are not big enough. Perhaps I'll just carefully enlarge them. I certainly have all the drills & reamers to do it, with all the old motorcycle carbs that I've re-jetted. Anyway, I modified ONE of my three small pipes. I drilled a hole through the Lower bowl area and I ran an AC-to-DC adapter cord right into it. Removed the battery spring, soldered & shrink wrapped all connections. The adapter I used is an LG cell phone adapter, rated for an output of 5VDC @ 1 Amp (Goodwill store find for $1.00). This little pipe is a VAPING MONSTER NOW!!!! As far as the other two small pipes, one works very good on battery power and the other, well.....it's OK, but nothing to get excited about. Seems like the "RoyalSmokers" attys are just not consistent. I wish someone in the U.S. had the BE112 Attys to sell me!!! If you know anyone in the U.S. who is going to order some soon, just let me know....I'll split the shipping to get some of them to try out for myself.

 

[Figurehead]

Has anyone discected a 601 yet? One of mine (usualy worked great) won't work on the draw, but will when doing the "clean out". I think the switch broke. Even after washing it, letting it dry, juicing it up and trying again, nothing on the draw. I'm thinking about making a mod out of it... if I could safely get it apart.

 

[breakfastchef]

Has anyone discected a 601 yet? One of mine (usualy worked great) won't work on the draw, but will when doing the "clean out". I think the switch broke. Even after washing it, letting it dry, juicing it up and trying again, nothing on the draw. I'm thinking about making a mod out of it... if I could safely get it apart.

You drill out two very smll holes behind the two contact points that start the cleaning cycle and install an electrical or DIY-mechanical switch between the two brass pieces. The position of the switch would be easy to operate with the thumb.

 

[dawghouse]

This may be the wrong place to post this, but are there any battery options for the 601? And where is a good place to buy them. Like all batteries, the life of mine is quickly shrinking so the good vapor period is getting even shorter.

 

[The Doc]

This may be the wrong place to post this, but are there any battery options for the 601? And where is a good place to buy them. Like all batteries, the life of mine is quickly shrinking so the good vapor period is getting even shorter.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...dse601-epipe-upgrade-batteries-available.html

 

[Moobyghost]

I just broke in a 601 for review next week and there is TONS of vapor on this thing. People just forget to smoke it like a pipe not a cig.

 

[dawghouse]

Mooby...I can't forget how to smoke it like a pipe...lol...never smoked a pipe, too busy sucking down analogs my whole life. What's the correct way? I'm giving 2 or 3 short draws, allowing the smoke to billow out, and then one long slow draw into my mouth before inhaling. Good...bad...better way? Give a demonstration on your video if you could.

Thanks Doc...just checked it out. The tops of those batteries seems a bit higher. Any problem getting the 601 contact arm over the top? Can I just hit the top with a drill to nick it to give the indent for the contact arm?

 

[Moobyghost]

The last three videos I have done show me using it. I primer puff it almost 5 times Then inhale straight in to my lungs. Check out the vids and see if it helps.

 

[dawghouse]

It does...thanks.

 

[Moobyghost]

no problemo

 

[The Doc]

Mooby...I can't forget how to smoke it like a pipe...lol...never smoked a pipe, too busy sucking down analogs my whole life. What's the correct way? I'm giving 2 or 3 short draws, allowing the smoke to billow out, and then one long slow draw into my mouth before inhaling. Good...bad...better way? Give a demonstration on your video if you could.

Thanks Doc...just checked it out. The tops of those batteries seems a bit higher. Any problem getting the 601 contact arm over the top? Can I just hit the top with a drill to nick it to give the indent for the contact arm?

The UltraFire cells fit just fine! I did make small circular indentations in the tops to mimmick the + contacts on the OEM DSE601 cells....I used a Dremel carbide bit to do it, medium RPM.

 

[The Doc]

This may be the wrong place to post this, but are there any battery options for the 601? And where is a good place to buy them. Like all batteries, the life of mine is quickly shrinking so the good vapor period is getting even shorter.

Sounds like you are not charging your DSE601 cells for long enough!

Every 3 cycles I just let them charge for 12 hours and it keeps the cell capacity at maximum. I have noticed that if/when I just keep charging them ONLY until the LED changes color....they start to LOSE capacity. There are MANY products that come with chargers including instructions, stating that when the LED color changes, the charging is done. Most of the time, this is PURE HOGWASH. The LED changing color USUALLY means the current draw from the charging circuit has DROPPED below a certain level.......but MOST chargers are still charging at a much lower current rate, known as "trickle charging". Please try this and tell me what happens........for the next 2 charge cycles, leave the cells in the charger for 10-12 hours....then SEE FOR YOURSELF if cell capacity improves. Don't take anyone's word for it...try it for yourself. Don't discharge lithium cells anymore than you must. When you observe that vapor production is suffering....REMOVE the battery and put it in the charger....these are not like Nicads which NEED to be well discharged before recharging (cycled). On the contrary, they should not be discharged too much before recharging if you want to get a good lifespan from them. 2 batteries is definitely NOT enough if you really enjoy heavy vaping on a DSE601!!! You need at least 2 chargers and 4 cells, so you can LET THEM CHARGE for 10-12 hours. This is exactly why I have 4 OEM cells, 2 OEM chargers...PLUS the UltraFire charger with 4 cells. Try the longer extended charging times and let me know if your cells improve.