DSE601 THROAT HIT tecnique

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Sounds like you are not charging your DSE601 cells for long enough!

Every 3 cycles I just let them charge for 12 hours and it keeps the cell capacity at maximum. I have noticed that if/when I just keep charging them ONLY until the LED changes color....they start to LOSE capacity. There are MANY products that come with chargers including instructions, stating that when the LED color changes, the charging is done. Most of the time, this is PURE HOGWASH. The LED changing color USUALLY means the current draw from the charging circuit has DROPPED below a certain level.......but MOST chargers are still charging at a much lower current rate, known as "trickle charging". Please try this and tell me what happens........for the next 2 charge cycles, leave the cells in the charger for 10-12 hours....then SEE FOR YOURSELF if cell capacity improves. Don't take anyone's word for it...try it for yourself. Don't discharge lithium cells anymore than you must. When you observe that vapor production is suffering....REMOVE the battery and put it in the charger....these are not like Nicads which NEED to be well discharged before recharging (cycled). On the contrary, they should not be discharged too much before recharging if you want to get a good lifespan from them. 2 batteries is definitely NOT enough if you really enjoy heavy vaping on a DSE601!!! You need at least 2 chargers and 4 cells, so you can LET THEM CHARGE for 10-12 hours. This is exactly why I have 4 OEM cells, 2 OEM chargers...PLUS the UltraFire charger with 4 cells. Try the longer extended charging times and let me know if your cells improve.

Got my new UltraFires and I'll give it a shot. Does that mean my OEM batteries are trash now cause I've been pulling them off the charger when it goes green? I've always got one on the charger overnight though.
 

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Got my new UltraFires and I'll give it a shot. Does that mean my OEM batteries are trash now cause I've been pulling them off the charger when it goes green? I've always got one on the charger overnight though.

Hell no they shouldn't be trashed......Just condition them with a few longer charges and they should bounce right back. You'll find it easier now that you've got the UltraFires to use. Be sure to keep rotating what cells you are using. Don't let any of them remain stagnant for very long and they should all be fine. I have another DSE601 kit on the way, so now I'll have 3 OEM chargers, 6 OEM cells, plus my 4 UltraFire cells & dual charger. I don't think it's very good to keep vaping on the very same DSE601 EPIPE all the time....so I'm gonna try to keep switching off between 2 of them. One of my two EPIPES is giving me some trouble and I can't seem to unclog it...PLUS the vapor is kinda low....so I have another one coming. My (several) VX2's are fine and my 2 Mini Pipes are always good for a flavorless "Quick Fix"...but I like puffing on the DSE601 the very best. I think I'm just as addicted to it as I used to be addicted to analogs....maybe even more so. I WISH they would keep developing the EPIPE design and come up with one that has a painlessly replaceable atty with more predictable and reliable performance. Some EPIPES work great and others just don't last that long. These DSE601 units are just not consistent enough yet....but they ain't exactly CHEAP either!!
 
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Hell no they shouldn't be trashed......Just condition them with a few longer charges and they should bounce right back. You'll find it easier now that you've got the UltraFires to use. Be sure to keep rotating what cells you are using. Don't let any of them remain stagnant for very long and they should all be fine. I have another DSE601 kit on the way, so now I'll have 3 OEM chargers, 6 OEM cells, plus my 4 UltraFire cells & dual charger. I don't think it's very good to keep vaping on the very same DSE601 EPIPE all the time....so I'm gonna try to keep switching off between 2 of them. One of my two EPIPES is giving me some trouble and I can't seem to unclog it...PLUS the vapor is kinda low....so I have another one coming. My (several) VX2's are fine and my 2 Mini Pipes are always good for a flavorless "Quick Fix"...but I like puffing on the DSE601 the very best. I think I'm just as addicted to it as I used to be addicted to analogs....maybe even more so. I WISH they would keep developing the EPIPE design and come up with one that has a painlessly replaceable atty with more predictable and reliable performance. Some EPIPES work great and others just don't last that long. These DSE601 units are just not consistent enough yet....but they ain't exactly CHEAP either!!

No they ain't cheap! But when they work well they're wonderful. I'm on my second 601 atty as well. The first one worked wonderfully for about 3-4 weeks, getting weaker all the while until the atty just sat there fried and begging for a funeral. I wish I was electrical savvy cause I'd try one of the atty rebuilds, but since I'm not and lazy to boot, that ain't happening. First one is currently taking a slow boat ride to China. I think the mini pipe with the replaceable atty may be in my future.
 

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No they ain't cheap! But when they work well they're wonderful. I'm on my second 601 atty as well. The first one worked wonderfully for about 3-4 weeks, getting weaker all the while until the atty just sat there fried and begging for a funeral. I wish I was electrical savvy cause I'd try one of the atty rebuilds, but since I'm not and lazy to boot, that ain't happening. First one is currently taking a slow boat ride to China. I think the mini pipe with the replaceable atty may be in my future.

DSE601 ATTY REBUILD???

please tell me MORE.....did you see a post or link on this??????
 

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No they ain't cheap! But when they work well they're wonderful. I'm on my second 601 atty as well. The first one worked wonderfully for about 3-4 weeks, getting weaker all the while until the atty just sat there fried and begging for a funeral. I wish I was electrical savvy cause I'd try one of the atty rebuilds, but since I'm not and lazy to boot, that ain't happening. First one is currently taking a slow boat ride to China. I think the mini pipe with the replaceable atty may be in my future.

I have two modified Mini Pipes & 3 OEM attys for them (one atty for each pipe + one spare). I originally bought 3 kits on clearance and destroyed one Mini Pipe during some pretty intense bench testing...it was actually pretty funny LOL...they are not all that great. OEM attys (ROYALSMOKER) are very short on flavor. You can get CRAZY VAPOR out of them, by increasing atty voltage just slightly....but you can forget about flavor, because they just don't have it. I think Shawn's new Vapre51 will be a nice PV unit, once he unveils it. Like I said before, they need to design a BETTER VERSION of the DSE601 with removeable atty, plain & simple. IF that ever does happen, vaping will be a lot nicer (and much cheaper) for me.
 
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DSE601 ATTY REBUILD???

please tell me MORE.....did you see a post or link on this??????

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/30142-601-e-pipe-rebuild.html

I just lost my second 601 atty and I'm am not happy. One is on a boat and the other one didn't even last a week. Put a brand new, charged for 12 hours, ultrafire in it...and nothing. So I put in another battery, just in case...nothing. LED lights up...atomizer doesn't fire up. Just like the first one, but at least that took 3 weeks. I'm sure there are folks out there that have been using a single 601 atty for months...but apparently I'm using all my luck on other atomizers. And I have been doing all my maintenance religiously. I hope someone in Europe or the US starts making attys that aren't luck-of-the-draw. Disposable doesn't work real well on $30+ replacements...at least until I hit the lottery or something.:mad::mad::mad:
 

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http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/atomizer-mods/30142-601-e-pipe-rebuild.html

I just lost my second 601 atty and I'm am not happy. One is on a boat and the other one didn't even last a week. Put a brand new, charged for 12 hours, ultrafire in it...and nothing. So I put in another battery, just in case...nothing. LED lights up...atomizer doesn't fire up. Just like the first one, but at least that took 3 weeks. I'm sure there are folks out there that have been using a single 601 atty for months...but apparently I'm using all my luck on other atomizers. And I have been doing all my maintenance religiously. I hope someone in Europe or the US starts making attys that aren't luck-of-the-draw. Disposable doesn't work real well on $30+ replacements...at least until I hit the lottery or something.:mad::mad::mad:

DAMN! Did you try priming the crap out of it with juice then dumping the juice back out (and saving it of course) just to get the atty REALLY WET????? I have a pipe out in the other room that I hardy even got much use out of and it's all glogged with a weak atty....so I know the deal. These things have disappointed me greatly and I've wasted a LOT of money on them! They need to be VASTLY IMPROVED in design!!! My Mini Pipes may not have very good flavor...but they DO ALWAYS WORK....even with the el cheapo attys that are included with them!!!
 
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DAMN! Did you try priming the crap out of it with juice then dumping the juice back out (and saving it of course) just to get the atty REALLY WET????? I have a pipe out in the other room that I hardy even got much use out of and it's all glogged with a weak atty....so I know the deal. These things have disappointed me greatly and I've wasted a LOT of money on them! They need to be VASTLY IMPROVED in design!!! My Mini Pipes may not have very good flavor...but they DO ALWAYS WORK....even with the el cheapo attys that are included with them!!!

No, I didn't try that because the atty is generating zero heat. I'll give it a shot, but I think it's gone on to a better place. I may be shopping for a mini pipe just so I have an affordable atty replacement and don't have to keep sending 601 atty's on the orient express.
 

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No, I didn't try that because the atty is generating zero heat. I'll give it a shot, but I think it's gone on to a better place. I may be shopping for a mini pipe just so I have an affordable atty replacement and don't have to keep sending 601 atty's on the orient express.

Understood........CHECK your private messages at this time.

Did you try the cleaning function to see if that fires up the atty? You have to use something metal to touch that little upper metal block to the upper screw terminal. perhaps your air switch just isn't working at all. If that is the case, you can still set up a DSE601 to me MANUAL rather than automatic and it works very well. You just have to drill 2 tiny holes and do minor wiring & soldering of 2 wires and a tiny switch.
 

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Understood........CHECK your private messages at this time.

Did you try the cleaning function to see if that fires up the atty? You have to use something metal to touch that little upper metal block to the upper screw terminal. perhaps your air switch just isn't working at all. If that is the case, you can still set up a DSE601 to me MANUAL rather than automatic and it works very well. You just have to drill 2 tiny holes and do minor wiring & soldering of 2 wires and a tiny switch.

Switch isn't the issue, both the automatic and the cross-connected block light up the LED, but the atomizer is quite dead. Went through this almost two weeks ago on the last one. If I was to take it apart (which I will at some point) I'm sure I'll find a broken solder connection to the coil, which seems to kill these guys on a regular basis from what I've read. When I have the time I'm going to attempt the rebuild, but for now I'll survive with my other units.
 

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Switch isn't the issue, both the automatic and the cross-connected block light up the LED, but the atomizer is quite dead. Went through this almost two weeks ago on the last one. If I was to take it apart (which I will at some point) I'm sure I'll find a broken solder connection to the coil, which seems to kill these guys on a regular basis from what I've read. When I have the time I'm going to attempt the rebuild, but for now I'll survive with my other units.

Agreed...sounds like you definitely have an open atty circuit. I modded one of my DSE601's with a VX2 atty. Looks kinda silly, but works like a charm
 
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I just killed my 601 by putting the battery in upside down. I've read of at least three other people doing that, and I remember thinking there's no way I'd do it. Sure enough, not paying attention, put it in wrong, took a puff and *poof* it's dead...and it tasted nasty.

Good thing I have two more atomizers.

The atty is probably fine. Reverse polarity DC probably killed the little surface mount switching/control board. IF you can get that pipe apart, you could BYPASS the control board and just add a manual switch. That pipe is a ..... to disassemble without breaking it though (time consuming).
 

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The atty is probably fine. Reverse polarity DC probably killed the little surface mount switching/control board. IF you can get that pipe apart, you could BYPASS the control board and just add a manual switch. That pipe is a ..... to disassemble without breaking it though (time consuming).

I guess I can give it a shot. It's that or toss it in the bin.
 

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You have to slowly keep poking & plunge cutting the RTV type glue around the white plastic slug inside the bowl. The rest just pulls apart if you follow the steps outlined in the DSE601 rebuild threads. Leave as much wire hanging off the atty assembly as possible, then snip, splice & wire it with the battery holder and a small switch. Drill 1 or 2 very small holes near the upper gold contacts and mount a small manual (momentary) switch. If the control board is burned out, you will have NO CHOICE but to install & wire a manual switch. Don't try to rush it!
 

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Just for the hell of it, I pulled this 601 atomizer out. I was looking at it trying to figure out my angle of attack on the modification. I threw a battery in it, and it worked. The green light flashed every once in a while, but it's puffing like new...

Hey, it's now my hold over should any of my other two fail on me and I need something while I wait for a new one to arrive. I was going to order another one, but Shawn is OOS at the moment.
 

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Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the BSE 601 and the DSE 601? Are they the same pipe? I see a few pages that list it as the BSE. I just want to make sure I buy the wright one. I want the best e-pipe I can find.

BSE sounds like a typo to me and I've not the time to research it. The DSE601 can be a good device if you get it from a reputable dealer who will warranty your purchase long enough to know you've goteen a good one. There are also measures to take to make them last. All that info is available within the forum, you just need to take the time to find it and read it attentively.
 
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