dual 510 battery mod desighn help

[FandZ]

Hi all, I've been smoke free for 16 days and lov'n every vapeing minute. By trade I'm a programmer of sorts but my hobby is to design things in cad and machine them on my cnc machine.

I've recently tried a coworkers 5v mod and now I have to have one. I started off with a 510 kit and moved on to a tornado. So now I have 2 perfectly good 510 push button batteries to play with. I'd like to run them in series using the existing buttons by creating a separate big button that will mount onto both of them. But I know that would give me too much voltage. I'd like them to run at 5v. I'm also wondering what material should I use. I'm considering wood, brass, aluminum, or derlin.

I'm attaching a picture of my rough sketchup. It still needs a lot more work but you'll get the basic Idea. I'm looking to do something more towards concept number 2.

So what would I need between the batteries and the atomizer? Also would it be bad for the batteries if only one button got pushed instead of both if they are in series?

Chris

 

[5cardstud]

I think your going to have to use different batteries. For one thing you would have to open them batteries and wire past the switch on both of them and 510 batteries don't have a long life span anyway. If you look in the modders section it has a lot of designs and battery info. Mad Vapes has many designs, tutorials, and parts also. Good luck with your mod.

 

[ejoker]

you've got cad AND cnc?? just how close to me are you chris, my new greatest friend?

 

[FandZ]

I think your going to have to use different batteries. For one thing you would have to open them batteries and wire past the switch on both of them and 510 batteries don't have a long life span anyway. If you look in the modders section it has a lot of designs and battery info. Mad Vapes has many designs, tutorials, and parts also. Good luck with your mod.

Hrmm do I have to wire past the battery switches? I plan on making a custom button that'll press them both down at the same time. Or like in option one I would be pressing them individually at the same time with my thumb and fore finger. It would just simplify things for me if I didn't have to make a battery compartment. I can do it but would rather save that for a future juice box type mod.

 

[MastiffMike]

you've got cad AND cnc?? just how close to me are you chris, my new greatest friend?

Ummm, Ejoker, he's MY best friend! So buddy-o-pal... tell me about your cnc machine and how many beers it costs to have a friend make something for a friend!

 

[FandZ]

you've got cad AND cnc?? just how close to me are you chris, my new greatest friend?

Unfortunately I live in the real LA...Louisiana

Honestly, I haven't touched a true cad program since I started useing Google sketchup. It's fast easy and free. Anything I design in it I can export to my cam software to get it ready to be cnc'd. It's all easier to do and have than you think. I won't lie, there is a lot to learn and can get expesive quick if you let it. You should check out cnczone if having a cnc machine sitting next to your pc seems cool to you. BTW my first machine cost me around 800 and was built almost entirely from hardware store parts.

 

[FandZ]

Ummm, Ejoker, he's MY best friend! So buddy-o-pal... tell me about your cnc machine and how many beers it costs to have a friend make something for a friend!

Well it's a cnc mill made out of 80/20 extrusions and cold rolled steel. It looks like a scorpion. It has a machining area of 8inches by 24 inches and a z axis of about 12 inches. It has a mill head for milling metal and a router for plastics, wood, and, aluminum.

I came up with a rule for making things for my buddies. If I want one too I'll make it So if it's a chrome .... plug you want, your out of luck...lol

 

[ejoker]

So if it's a chrome .... plug you want, your out of luck...lol

my first machine cost me around 800 and was built almost entirely from hardware store parts.

another 800 bucks is about what it would take for me to become homeless, unless it's ninja-like and can hide from the wife.
i have an idea for a 'box' i've been looking to make, but my metal skills are lacking. i may hit you up with a pm when i've finalized it tho.

on your idea though, you're better off using larger capacity batteries. i'm sure you've tried drawing on them simultaneously, but you're not really increasing voltage that way, just two sources of ~3v.

 

[FandZ]

another 800 bucks is about what it would take for me to become homeless, unless it's ninja-like and can hide from the wife.
i have an idea for a 'box' i've been looking to make, but my metal skills are lacking. i may hit you up with a pm when i've finalized it tho.

on your idea though, you're better off using larger capacity batteries. i'm sure you've tried drawing on them simultaneously, but you're not really increasing voltage that way, just two sources of ~3v.

But if you run them in series then it'll double the voltage. So together in series they would be 6 volts. In parallel it'll only be 3v. In that case you would just be doubling the amp hours. I know I'd have to put something between them to take them down to 5v. I just don't know what. But I'm also wondering since sometimes I may not get both batteries turned on at the exact same time if that would have an effect on the other battery or not.

Here's a good write up on series vs parallel wiring. Shucks.. I don't have 15 posts yet to post a link. You can google battery in series and find it @ z batterydotcom.


I hear you on the homeless front. I have to keep comeing up with new and creative ways to get new tools. My wife didn't buy the bit about the new router actually being a variable speed man tooth brush.

 

[MastiffMike]

another 800 bucks is about what it would take for me to become homeless, unless it's ninja-like and can hide from the wife.

Your married to MY wife?!?!?

i have an idea for a 'box' i've been looking to make, but my metal skills are lacking. i may hit you up with a pm when i've finalized it tho.

I too had a mod "box" design that I'd love to have built out of something stronger than I can do myself (i.e. epoxy putty!). I've got mine drawn up in AutoCAD but at this point it's only 2D and I'm still adjusting my mechanical switch design. I've considered having it 3D printed but I'd LOVE to have it machined out of aluminum!

on your idea though, you're better off using larger capacity batteries. i'm sure you've tried drawing on them simultaneously, but you're not really increasing voltage that way, just two sources of ~3v.

I'll second the switch to larger batts. And not to sound mean but.... why dual stock batts? IMO you'd be better off looking at higher voltage and then could even play with LV, normal or HV attys. Heck, if you want a more complicated mod, make one that uses 2 batts that can run in series or parallel (i.e. multiple voltage mod!). Or a juice feed system type mod!

Just my $.005

 

[FandZ]

Yep 2 batteries, one atomizer, in series. Check out the pictures of the concepts to get a better idea of what I want to do. I would simply be turning on both batteries that would be wired in series at the same time to get the 5v to the atomizer. I'm just worried that if they don't both turn on at the same time if it would be bad situation or not.

 

[MastiffMike]

But if you run them in series then it'll double the voltage. So together in series they would be 6 volts. But still not run very long, and are they pushing out a decent amperage? In parallel it'll only be 3v. In that case you would just be doubling the amp hours. I know I'd have to put something between them to take them down to 5v. You could use a HV atty which has a higher resistance (4.5 or 5.2?) and that'd effectively make it function like at 5v. Or diodes, or a regulator. I just don't know what. But I'm also wondering since sometimes I may not get both batteries turned on at the exact same time if that would have an effect on the other battery or not. You could hook them up so that when installed the buttons are always pressed and then use a different main button to control power to the atty.

Here's a good write up on series vs parallel wiring. Shucks.. I don't have 15 posts yet to post a link. You can google battery in series and find it @ z batterydotcom.


I hear you on the homeless front. I have to keep comeing up with new and creative ways to get new tools. My wife didn't buy the bit about the new router actually being a variable speed man tooth brush.

My problem is that everything I build is NOT for my wife. Maybe if I occassionally built something SHE wanted it be easier to get purchase approval! But I still go by the moto: "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission!"

 

[FandZ]

My problem is that everything I build is NOT for my wife. Maybe if I occassionally built something SHE wanted it be easier to get purchase approval! But I still go by the moto: "It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission!"

Yea but everything we want to make is so much more fun. My wife has only asked me to make 2 things so far, a dressor and a scarf curio cabinent. That'll get you off of blood pressure medicine real quick...

I'm attaching a picture that'll give you a better idea of what I want to do.

 

[FandZ]

Well that didn't work out too well. I may have to look up some hosting site for pictures.

 

[MastiffMike]

Sorry I can't offer solid advice b/c I don't know how you'd wire 2 stock batts (I'd be afraid of the possible problems!). Hopefully one of the mod gurus will come along and help (thus this free BUMP).

Looking at your drawing, what jumps out at me, and would be pretty easy to do, is to just go with a dual battery/dual atty configuration. Basically 2 e-cigs with a holder/band (with the buttons facing out and on opposite sides) then a squeeze (with index and thmb on buttons) to push both buttons or squeeze (with index on button and thumb above/below button location) for single atty firing. I know this doesn't get you HV (which is your goal!) but it'd be a way to increase vapor production and there's the cool factor!

 

[FandZ]

Basically 2 e-cigs with a holder/band (with the buttons facing out and on opposite sides) then a squeeze (with index and thmb on buttons) to push both buttons or squeeze (with index on button and thumb above/below button location) for single atty firing. I know this doesn't get you HV (which is your goal!) but it'd be a way to increase vapor production and there's the cool factor!

You just described exactly what I want to do with one atomizer @ 5v.

But I can see what you are suggesting with 2 atty's and 2 batteries. If I did that then I would probably have to make 1 mega wide cart that could fit two addy's. That could be interesting. I'd be getting twice the vapor and non of the quick burn that a 5v can give. On my friends 5v, it seemed it was eating through the e-juice faster than the cart could provide.

If it turns out that I can't wire them safely without opening the batteries up, I may just do what you are suggesting. Could be slick.

 

[ejoker]

hate to keep trying to rain on your parade, but even if you wired inline to output 6v, with stock batts you're not gonna be able to use it for long. before requiring a charge.
my fave 5v mod uses two 14500 3.7v inline, they're 900mah. i get a good day use out of it. (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/madvapes/72910-5v-madvapes-madskull-mod.html)
would be easy to make it a double atty as well if that's what you're looking for. one switch to power both attys. seriously, for the amount of work/wiring/trouble of working with them stock batts, it just doesn't seem worth it.

 

[MastiffMike]

hate to keep trying to rain on your parade, but even if you wired inline to output 6v, with stock batts you're not gonna be able to use it for long. before requiring a charge.
my fave 5v mod uses two 14500 3.7v inline, they're 900mah. i get a good day use out of it. (http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/madvapes/72910-5v-madvapes-madskull-mod.html)
would be easy to make it a double atty as well if that's what you're looking for. one switch to power both attys. seriously, for the amount of work/wiring/trouble of working with them stock batts, it just doesn't seem worth it.

Ejoker, no matter how helpful you are, and all your good suggestions he's MY friend and that intitles me to the cnc!

 

[FandZ]

hate to keep trying to rain on your parade, but even if you wired inline to output 6v, with stock batts you're not gonna be able to use it for long. before requiring a charge.
my fave 5v mod uses two 14500 3.7v inline, they're 900mah. i get a good day use out of it.
would be easy to make it a double atty as well if that's what you're looking for. one switch to power both attys. seriously, for the amount of work/wiring/trouble of working with them stock batts, it just doesn't seem worth it.

Haha, that's bad azz. I'm digg'n the Scull Vape. PM me when you need something to be machine. If I can do it I will.

Don't worry about dishing out a dose of reality. Technically if it's possible I'll spend a weekend on it. Possibly next weekend if I can figure the wiring out.

The way I look at is I got 2 280mah batteries just collecting dust till they degrade. Put them together in a series and I got 1 280 mah battery at 6v if I can use them the way I want to. It's more for s&g's. I once built a wall mount pc because I didn't have a picture to put up. It's what I do. I also have 4 children, so trust me, I need my damn projects...lol

I am looking at bigger batteries for a true HV mod. But it'll be about a month or 2 until I can pull that one off. There's this vision of a futuristic E-pipe with an internal spray atty pump that just won't quit. I would need a 4th axis on my cnc machine and thread milling tooling though. I'm just not ready to tackle that hump yet.

 

[FandZ]

Ejoker, no matter how helpful you are, and all your good suggestions he's MY friend and that intitles me to the cnc!

I'm surprised I found 2 guys on a non machining forum who know what a cnc machine is. At work when they ask me what am I doing over the weekend and I say I'm milling this out or making that on my cnc, they all look at me like I'm crazy. Or I find people who do know what one is and they want me to make a 3d carving of the last supper. I've actually gotten a lot of request for that one.