Dumb Nicotine Dilution Mistake

[pearlheartgtr]

Ok. I got a bottle of 100mg/60ml pg nicotine and a 250ml bottle of pg from MFS today. I'm still waiting on my flavors from Wizard so, being impatient, I decided to get started on diluting the nicotine to make it safer in case of spillage.

I like my liquids at 24mg. Getting ahead of myself, I went and mixed up 120ml of diluted nic at 24mg.

Now, here's my question, if I use the diluted nic in a base of 70%pg/30% vg and let's say up to 20% pg flavor, how much 100mg could/would I add to that to bring it back up to 24mg?

It's probably not as complicated as I'm making it out to be.

 

[pearlheartgtr]

Would this sound about right if I go at it this way?

10ml batch set at 12mg nic

Nicotine e-juice 100 mg - 1.2ml
PG dilutant - 1.8ml
VG dilutant - 1.5ml
Water/Vodka/PGA - 5ml (I used the Water/Vodka/PGA as the 24mg dilution at 50% in the mix.)
Flavor 1 - 0.5ml

OR

Should I use the 24mg dilution as the entire 70% pg and set the target nic to 12mg? The base would be 24mg and I'll just be adding 12mg more.

 

[FinallyQuit]

I think Scuba's spreadsheet can help with this issue, let me go figure and I'll post back.

Okay, 24 mg nic at 20% flavor turns into 19.2 mg/ml.

Now to figure out how much 100 mg to add to that to bring total to 24.

I'll be back! Okay, I'll pass this onto the experts, my spreadsheet isn't giving me the results I want. Actually it's not my fault at all, it's all the fault of the spreadsheet, ok?

 

[Barbara21]

Seriously, is it important??

Let's say you want to end up with 20% flavoring (which is probably on the high side). You'd have to add 6.0 mL of flavoring and you've now dropped the nicotine level to 4/5's of 24 or 19.8% 19.2%. Does it really, really matter if you're vaping 19.8% 19.2% or 24%??

Personally I mix up my base nicotine to be a touch high. (For argument's sake, let's say 20% nicotine base.) Then, when I add flavorings, I know it'll end up somewhere between 16-18% which is what I like. Close enough for my purposes. I'm not looking to re-sell, I'm doing this for myself. All I care is whether I can re-create the recipe, not that it's 'exactly' X%.

(Off the top of my head, you'd need to add roughly 1.6 mL of your 100 mg juice to raise it to 24%. Of course, then your flavorings will no longer be exactly 20%. You could drive yourself crazy with this.)

 

[Hippieangst]

So, if you diluted your nic base to 24mg and you're making a 10ml batch with 20% of it flavoring:
8ml of 24mg = 192mgs of nicotine to spread out over 10ml (this is with the added flavoring) = final batch of nic + flavoring = 19.2mg/ml nicotine.

 

[Barbara21]

So, if you diluted your nic base to 24mg and you're making a 10ml batch with 20% of it flavoring:
8ml of 24mg = 192mgs of nicotine to spread out over 10ml (this is with the added flavoring) = final batch of nic + flavoring = 19.2mg/ml nicotine.

You're right, 4/5's of 24 is 19.2, not 19.8. I'll edit my post. (What's weird is - I look at my scratch pad and it clearly says 19.2. So why did I type 19.8?? Have no idea...)

 

[pearlheartgtr]

Seriously, is it important??

Let's say you want to end up with 20% flavoring (which is probably on the high side). You'd have to add 6.0 mL of flavoring and you've now dropped the nicotine level to 4/5's of 24 or 19.8% 19.2%. Does it really, really matter if you're vaping 19.8% 19.2% or 24%??

Personally I mix up my base nicotine to be a touch high. (For argument's sake, let's say 20% nicotine base.) Then, when I add flavorings, I know it'll end up somewhere between 16-18% which is what I like. Close enough for my purposes. I'm not looking to re-sell, I'm doing this for myself. All I care is whether I can re-create the recipe, not that it's 'exactly' X%.

(Off the top of my head, you'd need to add roughly 1.6 mL of your 100 mg juice to raise it to 24%. Of course, then your flavorings will no longer be exactly 20%. You could drive yourself crazy with this.)

I only threw the 20% out there as a ballpark figure. I've never made my own juices before.

 

[Barbara21]

I only threw the 20% out there as a ballpark figure. I've never made my own juices before.

Seriously, you'll drive yourself crazy trying to be too precise, especially when you're experimenting.

What a lot of people do is experiment with just the PG/VA (no nicotine) since the nicotine is the (relatively) expensive part of the base liquid (and it's supposedly flavorless anyway). Then, when you find combinations/percentages you like, go from there.

 

[nnote]

Why not just dilute it to 30 or 35 and use that? You cant have 24, add stuff and still have 24.

 

[zoiDman]

Ok. I got a bottle of 100mg/60ml pg nicotine and a 250ml bottle of pg from MFS today. I'm still waiting on my flavors from Wizard so, being impatient, I decided to get started on diluting the nicotine to make it safer in case of spillage.

I like my liquids at 24mg. Getting ahead of myself, I went and mixed up 120ml of diluted nic at 24mg.

Now, here's my question, if I use the diluted nic in a base of 70%pg/30% vg and let's say up to 20% pg flavor, how much 100mg could/would I add to that to bring it back up to 24mg?

It's probably not as complicated as I'm making it out to be.

I'm Confused.

You Diluted 100mg PG Nicotine Base with Pure PG and now you are down to 24mg. So you have 24mg 100% PG.

But you want to raise the mg above 24mg and also get to 70%PG : 30%VG.

Is that Right?

 

[Jfaria1891]

8ml of the 100mg nic would put you back at 24mg assuming 20% Flavor which is a lot. But it would pit you at 53/46 pg/vg and ur flavor wouldnt be 20% anymore. Thats enough math for one day.

You started with 70/30 so it will be even more messed up and u didnt take into account that the flavor is pg based.... oh my. You have yourself a mess and what I image will be a very harsh vape.

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[crxess]

Sounds like you should plan for 16mg mixing and 10-15% flavoring for a while. Should be able to work those numbers. Good time to put away a 24mg stress bottle and work on reducing nic. Works for many.

 

[pearlheartgtr]

Why not just dilute it to 30 or 35 and use that? You cant have 24, add stuff and still have 24.

It was a dumb mistake (like mentioned in the title of the thread). My intention was to dilute to 30mg but I wasn't thinking when I put the numbers into the calculator.

 

[pearlheartgtr]

8ml of the 100mg nic would put you back at 24mg assuming 20% Flavor which is a lot. But it would pit you at 53/46 pg/vg and ur flavor wouldnt be 20% anymore. Thats enough math for one day.

You started with 70/30 so it will be even more messed up and u didnt take into account that the flavor is pg based.... oh my. You have yourself a mess and what I image will be a very harsh vape.

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1. I mentioned earlier that I threw the 20% out there as a ballpark since I never mixed before.

2. I have no problems with a 100% pg vape as there are a few liquids I have vaped with 100%. I've just been vaping BWB liquids for so long, I figured I could do a pg/vg mix. And yes, I do know that the flavors are pg.

 

[JD1]

Ok. I got a bottle of 100mg/60ml pg nicotine and a 250ml bottle of pg from MFS today. I'm still waiting on my flavors from Wizard so, being impatient, I decided to get started on diluting the nicotine to make it safer in case of spillage.

I like my liquids at 24mg. Getting ahead of myself, I went and mixed up 120ml of diluted nic at 24mg.

Now, here's my question, if I use the diluted nic in a base of 70%pg/30% vg and let's say up to 20% pg flavor, how much 100mg could/would I add to that to bring it back up to 24mg?

It's probably not as complicated as I'm making it out to be.

I think the easy way would be to calculate for 25mg, then adjust a little if needs be. The reason being that 25 gives you a simple ratio of 3 parts no nic to 1 part 100mg nic. Add your flavors and vg amounts together, then divide by 3 to get the amount of 100 mg to add.

5ml sample with made up numbers.

figure vg amount. 30% of 5 ml = 1.5ml

figure flavor amounts. flavor1: 7% = .35ml, flavor2: 6% = .30ml, flavor3: 2% = .10 ml.

Add amounts vg and flavors = 2.25ml of no nic liquid. Divide by 3 to get parts = .75ml = amount of 100mg to add.

So in 5ml bottle add .75ml of flavors, 1.5ml of vg, .75ml of 100mg and finish with your 24mg base. OR just cut back a little and add .7ml of 100mg and finish with base to get closer to 24mg.

Edit: By the way, the above example would come in at 24.6mg with .75ml of 100mg added, and 23.84mg if you cut back to .7ml of the 100mg added.

Edit again. I've been thinking about this and the problem with it is that you're working with 100mg every time you go to mix. I really, really don't like working with 100mg. If you could cut it to 50mg it would be much better. You could use the same math and just double the amount of added high nic. The problem with that is you'd only have around 60 ml and you'd probably run out before you ran out of the 120ml of 24mg.

That would still mix up a lot of juice though and if you're able to reorder a little sooner than you planned, I'd highly recommend cutting it to 50mg to work with.

Good luck and vape on.

 

[SnakeFarm]

The precision thing is important for the nicotine concentration, but even then, the ringing in your ears, elevated heart rate and vomiting will tell you if you REALLY messed up.

Being a reductionist, I always try to attack complexity by abstraction and containment. By way of example, here is a suggestion for you where you only do the important math once:

If you are always going to target 24mg, dilute your nicotine base supply bottle with more PG or VG so it is precisely 48 mg. Viola! Your math is now super easy. 50% base + 50% Whatever = 24 mg vaping.

My nic base is in pure PG, so when I mix up a 30 ml batch, I automatically know that 15 ml will be nic base and 15 ml will be (flavors + vg). Also helps inventory control for nic base. Now I can just look at my nic base bottle and I know I can make twice that much.

Keep it simple. If it's not simple make it simple, then try to keep it that way.