E cig newbie with question before I buy

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Trucapri

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Since you're a techie, if the Charlotte area isn't too far for you, mad vapes has a storefront you may be interested in visiting. Check out their web site for the address. The prices are higher than on-line, but you'll be able to compare a lot of options, and since I haven't ordered from mad vapes, the shipping charges could possibly even the pricing out. Just be careful of the "sales pitch" if you happen across the same clerk I did.
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vaprz

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I have an older version of it. I know there are upgraded verions. Its an ok pv. I know it needs to be primed. The taste comes to like after 30 vapes. Also which site are you looking at? We can give you more info from there ( I think there are a few versions or maybe I am wrong)

Looking at .evcigarettes.com and now whitestagvapor.com
 

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Hi, MarkG, welcome to the forums.

Don't be overwhelmed by all of the great information here on the ECF - you'll learn it all over time, but you don't need to be a master of all things in order to get started. You seem to be jumping in to approximately the right area, in that you've chosen an Ego-type device to start with. By that I mean a 650mah or bigger manual battery, operating at 3.3-3.7v, with 510 threads. Popular incarnations include the Ego, the Riva, the KGo, and others. This Lea appears to be another similar device, but one which I haven't seen mentioned here on the forums as much. Jumping into more unfamiliar territory might pay off, as it seems to have some extra features (battery life indicator, pen cap, and pass-through batteries as part of the starter kit), but it might also bite you if the device comes or short in any way. You've already seen one disadvantage to a less popular kit: it can be harder to find replacement parts. The good news is that since it has the same 510 threads as so many other devices, there is a world of parts that will work with it besides the actual Lea parts.

I'd recommend purchasing a 5-pack of Boge 2.0 ohm cartomizers with your kit, rather than the out-of-stock spare atomizer. That will give you backups if your atomizers are bad, as a cartomizer is a juice-containing cartridge and an atomizer all rolled into one. Not only will it serve as a backup, but it will give you an opportunity to check out one of the most popular setups on the ECF: an Ego-class battery with a good quality cartomizer (Boge, Resurrector, SmokTech are all popular). Many Ego-type users settle on cartos because of the notoriously finicky nature of the Ego-type tank or cartridge systems.

I'd also recommend grabbing a syringe to help load those cartos, and skipping the thread adapter until such time as you purchase something with threads that require it.

Best of luck, MarkG!
 

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Welcome to the ECF. I'm glad you made a decision to get away from smoking tobacco. Using a Personal Vaporizer as an alternative is healthier and a lot more enjoyable.
There is a lot of information here, and it can be a bit overwhelming choosing the right PV and juice. However, it can also be easy if you choose good equipment and take your time in learning to use it.

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Recommendation for those who don't want to read the whole thing:
This is your shopping list:
  • 1 standard 3.7v mod such as the Indulgence V3 or E-Power
  • 2 batteries for your mod
  • 1 battery charger
  • 2 packs of Boge 2.0 Ohm cartomizers for trying juices
  • 1 carto tank from Madvapes
  • Several sample packs of juice to try out


I know, I know; OMG! he's recommending a mod to newbies! My take is:
  • Small batteries are going to be frustrating and may lead to failure
  • eGo, Kgo and the like cost more money to replace batteries and don't have replaceable parts
  • A good mod will give a better vape, last longer and will be more likely to help you kick the smoking habit
  • Dripping is confusing and difficult for many people. Cartos are cheap, and you can use them to try a sample. If you don't like it, throw the carto and sample out
  • Filling cartomizers is a pain, a tank is easy to fill, lasts all day and needs to be replaced less often. Once you find your all-day vape, this is the way to go


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Many kits you will find online are made up of the following parts:
  • Battery
  • Charger
  • Cartridge (cart)
  • Atomizer (atty)


While an atomizer can be handy for testing new juices by direct dripping, this configuration is difficult to use and tends to perform poorly. The first thing you will want to get with your kit is a pack or two of cartomizers (cartos). Cartomizers have their own atomizer and cartridge in one piece, have a more consitant vape and hold more juice.

Atomizers and cartomizers have a resistance rating in Ohms. You cannot use low resistence attys and cartos on a small battery as they pull too much power and will kill your small battery. You need a battery 450 Mah or higher for low-resistance attys and cartos.

The basic types of cartomizers are:
  • Standard resistance (usually 3.0 ohms)
  • Low resistance (as low as 1.5 ohms)
  • Cartomizer tank


The standard resistance cartos are the only cartos you can use on a small battery PV.

Low resistance cartos give more vapor and a hotter vape. The lower the resistance, the bigger the battery you need.

A cartomizer tank has a cartomizer inside a small tank. The cartomizer has a small hole punched in it so soak juice into the carto so that you can just fill the tank when it gets empty.

The basic types of personal vaporizers in use are:
  • Small battery, cigarette-sized
  • Big battery, cigar-sized
  • Standard modification (mod)
  • Variable-voltage mod (VV mod)
  • Bottom-feeder mod
  • Box mod


The small battery PV's are meant to simulate a regular cigarette as much as possible. These can be convenient as they are small and easy to carry. However, they have a very short battery life and require you to constantly have a battery charging.

The big battery types have a much longer battery life so that you can vape one PV all day without charging.

A standard mod has removable batteries of varying sizes. This enables you to have a PV that can stay charged for very long periods, and the batteries are removable and cheap which saves money. Many mods have replaceable parts so that if, for instance, a switch fails you just buy a new switch and replace it.

Variable voltage mods allow you to adjust the voltage depending on the carto and juice you are using at the time. This allows great flexibility, but you also need to have a workable understanding of voltage and resistance. Not recommended for new users.

A bottom-feeder mod is usually a box mod with a small juice bottle attached. You squeeze (squonk) the bottle to fill the attached cartomizer. Once you get used to sqonking the right amount of juice into the carto, you can get a very consistent vape all day long.

A box mod is just that: a box that contains a battery or batteries, an activation switch and a connection to screw your cartomizer or atty into. These can be small or big and blocky. They can also be variable-voltage.

The next thing you will need is juice. This is probably the most difficult part. Every one's tastes are different, and your tastes will change over time. You may even have periods where you can't taste anything, or everything tastes terrible. You may have a hard time finding juices you can vape all day. The best thing to do is try small samples until you find something you like, and then stock up on those. You will just have to experiment.

One important thing to know about juice: no juice is going to taste like burning tobacco. You aren't burning anything, you are creating vapor. The "tobacco flavored" juices taste more like chewing or pipe tobacco not cigarettes.

This is just my personal opinion, take it with a grain of salt. You are the only one who can decide what's best for you.

Finally: quitting smoking is difficult no matter what method you use. Take it easy on yourself. Take your time and if you still need to smoke as you're learning; go ahead and smoke. You will set yourself up for failure if you stress yourself out. Be patient, and you will get there.
 

vaprz

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Hi, MarkG, welcome to the forums.

Don't be overwhelmed by all of the great information here on the ECF - you'll learn it all over time, but you don't need to be a master of all things in order to get started. You seem to be jumping in to approximately the right area, in that you've chosen an Ego-type device to start with. By that I mean a 650mah or bigger manual battery, operating at 3.3-3.7v, with 510 threads. Popular incarnations include the Ego, the Riva, the KGo, and others. This Lea appears to be another similar device, but one which I haven't seen mentioned here on the forums as much. Jumping into more unfamiliar territory might pay off, as it seems to have some extra features (battery life indicator, pen cap, and pass-through batteries as part of the starter kit), but it might also bite you if the device comes or short in any way. You've already seen one disadvantage to a less popular kit: it can be harder to find replacement parts. The good news is that since it has the same 510 threads as so many other devices, there is a world of parts that will work with it besides the actual Lea parts.

I'd recommend purchasing a 5-pack of Boge 2.0 ohm cartomizers with your kit, rather than the out-of-stock spare atomizer. That will give you backups if your atomizers are bad, as a cartomizer is a juice-containing cartridge and an atomizer all rolled into one. Not only will it serve as a backup, but it will give you an opportunity to check out one of the most popular setups on the ECF: an Ego-class battery with a good quality cartomizer (Boge, Resurrector, SmokTech are all popular). Many Ego-type users settle on cartos because of the notoriously finicky nature of the Ego-type tank or cartridge systems.

I'd also recommend grabbing a syringe to help load those cartos, and skipping the thread adapter until such time as you purchase something with threads that require it.

Best of luck, MarkG!

This one?
Joye 510 Low Resistance (LR) Cartomizer (5pc) by Boge (2.0 ohm)
 

dearme

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Very good summation, mooreted. I would very much like to see more noobs start with a mod which uses non-proprietary batteries and that allow more leeway in the bits and pieces they can use. Noobs who start with the small ecig kits are spending money on things they will very probably be unhappy with in a few weeks and get discouraged with the performance and the money spent. It's much better and cheaper in the long run, IMO, to at least start with an ecig in the middle, or even in the top range. If things don't work out, or if they want to change PVs, the top range PVs could be sold in the Classies for most of the money spent instead of thrown in the trash.
 

vaprz

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Very good summation, mooreted. I would very much like to see more noobs start with a mod which uses non-proprietary batteries and that allow more leeway in the bits and pieces they can use. Noobs who start with the small ecig kits are spending money on things they will very probably be unhappy with in a few weeks and get discouraged with the performance and the money spent. It's much better and cheaper in the long run, IMO, to at least start with an ecig in the middle, or even in the top range. If things don't work out, or if they want to change PVs, the top range PVs could be sold in the Classies for most of the money spent instead of thrown in the trash.

Thanks Dearme
I hope I get this soon so I can start, stop spending money on tobbaco.
 
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