Not sure who all has seen this article, but for anyone interested.
Should electronic cigarettes be banned on airplanes? - Your Community
Should electronic cigarettes be banned on airplanes? - Your Community
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its already banned on most airlines, personally its not worth the trouble to vape on a airplane, you might find yourself on a no fly list.
True, but I like to try and find the Canadian articles and add comments. You never know how many people will read it and choose to educate themselves more on this subject. If we're lucky maybe one day it will be someone that can actually make a huge difference for our community.
I bet the pilots use them behind their locked flightdeck doors
I hope so! Hell, I wouldn't mind if they smoked analogs on the flight deck if they so choose! Last thing I want is to be on a plane with a stressed out pilot having a nic fit at the controls!
I imagine part of the problem is that airlines also do not allow extra batteries when taking on a cell phone, etc. They may view this as an extra battery which then can be used as a weapon (bang). Maybe they would allow a USB passthought to hooup to your laptop or cell phone though in future?
Should e-cig usage be banned by law on planes?
No...because there's no reason for a law. Airplanes are already private property, owned by the airlines. If they don't want their customers to vape on their planes, all they need to do is make that their policy. End of story. They don't need a new law to give them that power. They already have that power.
To use another example...you can't roll around on the floor, thrashing away on your air-guitar in the plane's corridors. Why? Because they apparently don't want people doing that on their planes, lol. It's not because there's any law against it. It's perfectly legal to roll around playing air-guitar in a corridor. But when you're on the airline's private property...their rules apply.
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As to batteries, Nrgaway...yes, you can bring batteries (including spares) with you on a flight. All airlines will have a list of what you can & can't bring...which will also list the requirements regarding any restricted items. For example, this is from Air Canada's list, regarding liquids for your carry-on baggage:
All very clear. They cover batteries in their list too:
I primarily use AW IMR 18490 batts (1100 mAh)...which have 4.07 watt hours. An AW IMR 18650 (1600 mAh) has 5.92 watt hours. In other words, all of the batteries we use will fit nicely into the 100 watt hours or less category. If you want to calculate the watt hours of your battery...take the voltage (3.7v in the two examples above) and multiply it by the ampere hours. 1000 mAh is 1 ampere hour. So with my AW IMR's:
3.7 x 1.1 = 4.07
3.7 x 1.6 = 5.92
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Mind you, the above Air Canada quote was referring to Li-Ion batts. AW IMR batts are not Li-Ion...rather, they are Li-Mn (lithium manganese). So for the moment, I'm scratching my head over my beloved AW IMRs & their flight-allowability. Has anyone here flown in Canada with them?? If so, please post about it...'cause it's not clear to me yet. The only other battery-related reference in Air Canada's list that I could find (apart from a section on batts for medical contraptions & wheelchairs etc, which have nothing to do with us) was as follows:
Li-Mn wasn't mentioned in there. So...hmm. See the thing is I'll be flying fairly soon, within Canada...with my ProVari & two new AW IMR 18490s in my carry-on baggage (i.e. my purse). I don't expect to have any checked baggage. I'll be following all of basilray's tips for travel of course, which you can see in the video below:
VapeTV - BasilRay's Tips & Tricks for Travel
...but I'd really appreciate knowing in advance that I'm not gonna get any guff over my AW IMRs. They're the safest battery there is, so it'd be extra-stupid if there was guff. Regardless, I need to know before I'm at the gate, lol.
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Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks in advance for a reply re the AW IMR question, and happy vaping!
P.S. I just looked at the article in the original post. Yoy...the guy in that article was being an inconsiderate .... The plane is private property, & as such he was obligated to cease vaping when they asked him to. Fortunately most vapers have more common sense than he did.
No...because there's no reason for a law. Airplanes are already private property, owned by the airlines. If they don't want their customers to vape on their planes, all they need to do is make that their policy. End of story. They don't need a new law to give them that power. They already have that power.
To use another example...you can't roll around on the floor, thrashing away on your air-guitar in the plane's corridors. Why? Because they apparently don't want people doing that on their planes, lol. It's not because there's any law against it. It's perfectly legal to roll around playing air-guitar in a corridor. But when you're on the airline's private property...their rules apply.
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As to batteries, Nrgaway...yes, you can bring batteries (including spares) with you on a flight. All airlines will have a list of what you can & can't bring...which will also list the requirements regarding any restricted items. For example, this is from Air Canada's list, regarding liquids for your carry-on baggage:
All very clear. They cover batteries in their list too:
I primarily use AW IMR 18490 batts (1100 mAh)...which have 4.07 watt hours. An AW IMR 18650 (1600 mAh) has 5.92 watt hours. In other words, all of the batteries we use will fit nicely into the 100 watt hours or less category. If you want to calculate the watt hours of your battery...take the voltage (3.7v in the two examples above) and multiply it by the ampere hours. 1000 mAh is 1 ampere hour. So with my AW IMR's:
3.7 x 1.1 = 4.07
3.7 x 1.6 = 5.92
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Mind you, the above Air Canada quote was referring to Li-Ion batts. AW IMR batts are not Li-Ion...rather, they are Li-Mn (lithium manganese). So for the moment, I'm scratching my head over my beloved AW IMRs & their flight-allowability. Has anyone here flown in Canada with them?? If so, please post about it...'cause it's not clear to me yet. The only other battery-related reference in Air Canada's list that I could find (apart from a section on batts for medical contraptions & wheelchairs etc, which have nothing to do with us) was as follows:
Li-Mn wasn't mentioned in there. So...hmm. See the thing is I'll be flying fairly soon, within Canada...with my ProVari & two new AW IMR 18490s in my carry-on baggage (i.e. my purse). I don't expect to have any checked baggage. I'll be following all of basilray's tips for travel of course, which you can see in the video below:
VapeTV - BasilRay's Tips & Tricks for Travel
...but I'd really appreciate knowing in advance that I'm not gonna get any guff over my AW IMRs. They're the safest battery there is, so it'd be extra-stupid if there was guff. Regardless, I need to know before I'm at the gate, lol.
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Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks in advance for a reply re the AW IMR question, and happy vaping!
P.S. I just looked at the article in the original post. Yoy...the guy in that article was being an inconsiderate .... The plane is private property, & as such he was obligated to cease vaping when they asked him to. Fortunately most vapers have more common sense than he did.
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I find that as vapers we tend to focus too much on the fact that we're not actually smoking and as a result we think that everyone should be perfectly fine us vaping wherever we want.
While it might be true that second hand vapor does not constitute ay health hazard, we need to realize that it might still bother some people - even as a vaper I wouldn't want to be sitting next to a guy vaping butterscotch for 7 hours in a confined airplane with little air circulation.
Just as today as non-smokers we wouldn't appreciate someone lighting up a cigarette in our car, non-smokers/vapers wouldn't appreciate someone vaping away in an airplane.
It's a matter of respect IMO...
While it might be true that second hand vapor does not constitute ay health hazard, we need to realize that it might still bother some people - even as a vaper I wouldn't want to be sitting next to a guy vaping butterscotch for 7 hours in a confined airplane with little air circulation.
Just as today as non-smokers we wouldn't appreciate someone lighting up a cigarette in our car, non-smokers/vapers wouldn't appreciate someone vaping away in an airplane.
It's a matter of respect IMO...
Personally I don't mind not doing something out of respect for someone else. The part I find I have a problem with is when people compare this to be the same as smoking and forming an opinion on limited knowledge of this product, and disappointed that our government and media sources aren't more pro-active with educating people.
Just go in the bathroom ,vape for a minute, fart and go back to your seat, problem solved, just don't take anything your not willing to loose through customs, and put the rest disassembled in luggage with camera batteries, or shaving supplies. Just use your head and don't try to force it on someone, and you should be fine.
I just purchased the LED attachment for 510 connectors to turn my rig into a flashlight. I know it isn't against the law to carry his stuff but as a frequent flyer the hassle of even explaining what things are can be a hassle.
This is something very similar me and my wife were talking about. Is it not odd that first there was (i call it) a planted story on the exploding e-cig, and call it a plant as the man's wife did not know what type it was? neither did anyone else in the family, etc etc, then there is articles like this of vappers who are being rude and belligerent in public. I am not saying they do not exist, i am just saying it odd that for a community as a whole trying to bring good publicity to it, that we have so many "rogues"? Is this a case where governments are making a false display of how much they are against it so the community can do things like that airline incident thus showing how "bad" this all is? It is kind of like Sopa and Pipa.....they said they were going to pass a law to "regulate" the internet. Well the bill was shut down, but look at how many web sites are regulating or ever shut down and walked away before the supposed bill was to pass...
My brother sent me an article about the exploding battery and it started of with, "We always knew E-Cigarettes were bad for you, but....". The person who wrote the article was clearly ignorant to the facts and flat out against them as he used old test statistics from knock off Chinese E-Cigs from 2009. He was just wrong with much of what he had written. I scrolled down to read the user comments and saw that most of the people ate that crap right up. It's sad.
Back on topic..... I'm not recommending anyone do the same because it could get you in trouble IF you get caught, but I vape in the restrooms. I blow the vapor down and it dissipates quickly. I did it on a passenger ferry restroom once as well because they wouldn't let us go outside because of the weather. The restrooms are set up like planes and worked for me.
Back on topic..... I'm not recommending anyone do the same because it could get you in trouble IF you get caught, but I vape in the restrooms. I blow the vapor down and it dissipates quickly. I did it on a passenger ferry restroom once as well because they wouldn't let us go outside because of the weather. The restrooms are set up like planes and worked for me.
Came for the article comments. Was not disappointed:
Ahhh, a healthy laugh on a monday morning.
This is the fallout we have to deal with since the FDA and Health Canada decided to misrepresent ecigs 3 years ago.
Personally I don't care if they ban them. But do it for the right reasons. Do it because it might be annoying, and not because it "endangers other passengers with its toxic fumes." While your at it, ban body odor and crying infants.
Ahhh, a healthy laugh on a monday morning.
This is the fallout we have to deal with since the FDA and Health Canada decided to misrepresent ecigs 3 years ago.
Personally I don't care if they ban them. But do it for the right reasons. Do it because it might be annoying, and not because it "endangers other passengers with its toxic fumes." While your at it, ban body odor and crying infants.
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my husband has no idea what kind of PV I vape. and if I did tell him he would not remember (probably because he doesn't care)! so I am not sure it's that unusual that the family didn't know what he used.
I've seen posts here from people who are almost bragging about how they are a little rude in public about it...like expecting and demanding that they can vape wherever they want. I want to stay under the radar and so I mostly respect smoking rules - however, I will go into a bathroom in an airport (NOT the airplane), restaurant, etc, and vape.....
hope you don't mind an american butting in!
Yeah folks are allergic to all sorts of weird stuff these days, hence no prob if the airlines don't wanna deal with it, they're currently at war over "comfort animals" for similar reasons. As for just carrying components on your person some clarification would be nice, can't see anything we have being more dangerous in principle than small aerosols or flashlights.
We always have time for our friends south of the border.
Cags, you nailed it. The attitude among some of the vaping community reminds me of smokers that rebelled when non-smoking bans appeared 20 years ago. In fact sometimes, I also hear that "holier than thou" ex-smoker attitude.
Until ecigs are known and understood by the general population - I think airlines have more than justifiable right to request they not be used inflight / onboard. Once everyone knows what they are, and no one thinks the guy in the corner is smoking with some strange looking pipe contraption - then the airlines may reconsider. They may not. It's their planes - their rules.
As vapers - are we not just as obligated as when we were smokers - to respect the rights and feelings and rules of others?
Wouldn't it be something if the majority of vapers gained some crazy reputation for being really nice and sensible and polite?
As vapers - are we not just as obligated as when we were smokers - to respect the rights and feelings and rules of others?
Wouldn't it be something if the majority of vapers gained some crazy reputation for being really nice and sensible and polite?
I'm a new vaper and am very considerate.
I only vape in my office at home since wifey does not like the smell. I do agree they stink; way, way less than smokes, but when I walk into my office I can smell the flavour of the day; even 10-20 minutes after vaping.
So I can't see how it would ever be fair to other passengers of air planes if you can purposely pollute the air around you. I see no problem using the wash room though; may make it smell better
I only vape in my office at home since wifey does not like the smell. I do agree they stink; way, way less than smokes, but when I walk into my office I can smell the flavour of the day; even 10-20 minutes after vaping.
So I can't see how it would ever be fair to other passengers of air planes if you can purposely pollute the air around you. I see no problem using the wash room though; may make it smell better
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