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LibertariaNate

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It is a tragedy, but I think that's what it's doing to me. I'm just not in the right frame of mind to deal with katiem and evelyn's hatefulness.

I am going to stay away from there for a little while and get my head back on track.

I'm not throwing away almost 7 months of being cigarette free now - not because of them.

Good for you. Quitting cigs is hard enough on its own. Surrounding yourself with negativity only makes it harder.
 

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It is a tragedy, but I think that's what it's doing to me. I'm just not in the right frame of mind to deal with katiem and evelyn's hatefulness.

I am going to stay away from there for a little while and get my head back on track.

I'm not throwing away almost 7 months of being cigarette free now - not because of them.

I agree with you Kat I'd hate to see you mess up what from your join date looks to be a long time quit...

Sidenote: Stephanie seems to genuinely trying to accept us. We should help her out...those of us still going over there that is.
 

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I guess it's just worn me down.

And with what's been going on here at home this week - I'm just not up to reading anymore about the "nicodemon" and addiction.

I like supporting people - helping them keep their quit - that's so cool. I'll be back there - just give me a couple days.

I need to arm myself with some ECF love first so I'm going to spend some time catching up on all the other threads here that I haven't been paying attention to lately.
 

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Yep.. That's why I say the cravings I do have are mild and just don't feel the same as the cravings I used to have. I am trying to conscious about why I pick up the e-cig when I do - is it for a craving, or really only because of a trigger. I am finding we have so many common triggers we vape (or smoke) all day and it's possible nicotine no longer plays a large part of why we do - Morning coffee, breakfast lunch, dinner, snacks brushing teeth, shower, sex, sex again <grin>, getting into a car, before getting to work, break time at job, after work, after walking out of some place we cannot smoke - That's 12 cigarettes right there from triggers and I'm sure I missed a bunch. I think in the first week or two of vaping it's possible we have quit being addicted to all that other stuff and are mostly going on triggers except those times when it really is the nicotine.

Let me share a little story with you guys.

My hubby has been on MAOIs for years his ex thought he was bi polar and so he just went to the doc said he wanted to try anti depressants and they prescribed him some (IMO I think they should establish you actually need them before writing you a script bu that's for another post).

Well he decided he wanted to quit taking them since he wasn't sure he needed them... I told him that was fine with me.... OMG it was hell!!! He was horribly grouchy and moody it was like living with Dr Jekyl and MR Hyde I kid you not!!!

Well I hopped on the web and did some research it turns our even though they are classified as not being addictive people can and do have withdrawels when discontinuing many MAOI antidepressants. Prozac seems to be the main exception since it does not build up in your system (not sure why it doesn't).

I never though of this in relation to cigarettes until recently when I saw that thread with them talking about the MAOIs... don't know if any of you saw it Dvap was one of the main contributors on that thread... anyway now it makes me wonder how many of us were addicted to something else in cigs rather than the nicotine?
 

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Yep.. That's why I say the cravings I do have are mild and just don't feel the same as the cravings I used to have. I am trying to conscious about why I pick up the e-cig when I do - is it for a craving, or really only because of a trigger. I am finding we have so many common triggers we vape (or smoke) all day and it's possible nicotine no longer plays a large part of why we do - Morning coffee, breakfast lunch, dinner, snacks brushing teeth, shower, sex, sex again <grin>, getting into a car, before getting to work, break time at job, after work, after walking out of some place we cannot smoke - That's 12 cigarettes right there from triggers and I'm sure I missed a bunch. I think in the first week or two of vaping it's possible we have quit being addicted to all that other stuff and are mostly going on triggers except those times when it really is the nicotine.

Just don't overthink yourself into a tizzy about it! ;)
 

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I may not be able to post, but I can report posts. I've been on a tear reporting any of Evelyn's in which she uses foul language or tells any of us to leave or go post in our "own" section. Don't know where it will get me, but I am enjoying it all the same.

Good luck with that....I have reported her several times in the past with no response or resolution.
 

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I guess it's just worn me down.

And with what's been going on here at home this week - I'm just not up to reading anymore about the "nicodemon" and addiction.

I like supporting people - helping them keep their quit - that's so cool. I'll be back there - just give me a couple days.

I need to arm myself with some ECF love first so I'm going to spend some time catching up on all the other threads here that I haven't been paying attention to lately.

Sorry to hear that you aren't feeling so great right now. I am also very sorry about your fur baby. I have 3 - 2 kittens and a rescue dog. I have only had the doggie for a year but he has come so far from the cowering, beaten dog that he was and I can't imagine life without him.

Thanks for also answering my question (all of you). Never really looked into PV's (right??) but I am never one just to not examine something before I have an opinion of it so thanks for the information.

It is cold and blech here today (you are in Winnipeg?) - I am in Alberta and the weather is really sucky right now. Rain on and off, clouds and cold but I am still having my bbq tonight.

Melanie
 

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I may not be able to post, but I can report posts. I've been on a tear reporting any of Evelyn's in which she uses foul language or tells any of us to leave or go post in our "own" section. Don't know where it will get me, but I am enjoying it all the same.

She needs to stop "puffing" on her own self-righteousness and ignorance. She wouldn't know a cognitive thought if it slapped her, though I seriously doubt if any self-respecting cognitive thought would demean itself to ever be in her brain.
 

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She needs to stop "puffing" on her own self-righteousness and ignorance. She wouldn't know a cognitive thought if it slapped her, though I seriously doubt if any self-respecting cognitive thought would demean itself to ever be in her brain.

Her remaining synapse fires blanks. -Magnus
 

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Yep this is pretty awesome stuff.. someone should post this in the general forum to show folks it may not be the nicotine alone that we are addicted to, therefore using an e-cig should not cause a person to crave a cigarette. This throws a wrench into many of their beliefs.

Check this out taken from here.

Although nicotine is generally considered to be the main compound responsible for the addictive properties of tobacco, experimental data indicate that nicotine does not exhibit all the characteristics of other abused substances, such as psychostimulants and opiates. For example, nicotine is only a weak locomotor enhancer in rats and generally fails to induce a locomotor response in mice. This observation contradicts the general consensus that all drugs of abuse release dopamine in the nucleus accumbens, a subcortical structure, and thus increase locomotor activity in rodents. Because tobacco smoke contains monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs) and decreases MAO activity in smokers, we have combined MAOIs with nicotine to determine whether it is possible to obtain a locomotor response to nicotine in C57Bl6 mice. Among 15 individual or combined MAOIs, including harmane, norharmane, moclobemide, selegiline, pargyline, clorgyline, tranylcypromine and phenelzine, only irreversible inhibitors of both MAO-A and -B (tranylcypromine, phenelzine, and clorgyline+selegiline) allowed a locomotor response to nicotine. The locomotor stimulant interaction of tranylcypromine and nicotine was absent in beta2-nicotinic acetylcholine receptor subunit knockout mice. Finally, it was found that, whereas naive rats did not readily self-administer nicotine (10 mug/kg/injection), a robust self-administration of nicotine occurred when animals were pretreated with tranylcypromine (3 mg/kg). Our data suggest that MAOIs contained in tobacco and tobacco smoke act in synergy with nicotine to enhance its rewarding effects.

I am going to look ito this further but its thought provoking at the very least.
 

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Yep this is pretty awesome stuff.. someone should post this in the general forum to show folks it may not be the nicotine alone that we are addicted to, therefore using an e-cig should not cause a person to crave a cigarette. This throws a wrench into many of their beliefs.

Pardon My french (mods) but OH helll No!!... You can stick it in the e-cig forum if you want Evelyn's already on the rampage spoutinghow horrible e-cigs are and how they will seduce all the kiddies and she's going to "educate " herself and pass her e3ducation onto us...yeah.

We better start digging through our research and getting it ready cause she's going to make sure its ugly.

I have to go grocery shopping see ya'll later.
 
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