You almost have to laugh over the posting about both sites on each site-to me its the same old battle-my way or the fricken highway & you just shake your head & read on-its sad that each of us are sooooooooooooooo sure that whatever works for us should be the gold standard for the rest of the masses & then you get frusrated when others mock you & insist their way is #1 YET everyone agrees whatever saves you from those evil cigerettes is all that matters which yeah that is the point but.....