E-cigarettes have 10 times more carcinogens: Japan researchs
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Well, the study seems to be this: https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/analsci/29/12/29_1219/_pdf
Question is: How often do you continue vaping burnt cartomizers?
Ask stupid questions - Get stupid answers.
Question is: How often do you continue vaping burnt cartomizers?
Ask stupid questions - Get stupid answers.
Let's face it, our current gov have never unbanned anything...
While porn is all over the net, magazine like playboy is still banned.
I recall one of the senior minister mention years back, "its not that they ban it, its they have not unbanned it"
To vape legally in sg, we'll have to wait till 2017... Maybe then we'll have a different party to make the change.
While porn is all over the net, magazine like playboy is still banned.
I recall one of the senior minister mention years back, "its not that they ban it, its they have not unbanned it"
To vape legally in sg, we'll have to wait till 2017... Maybe then we'll have a different party to make the change.
As usual, CNA likes to pick up news that is in-line with government policy. There are so many news that is positive about e-cigs, including numerous lab test and results but I have never read that in CNA. I maybe biased, but there will be too many links for me to list that down as reference.
Back to this news, yes, it will be a sad day for us, vapers. This kind of news (and the test) painted a very in-accurate picture of vapping;
- The picture on the right about the e-cigs with high concentration of carbonyl compounds in the report, it looks so burnt. Who in the right mind will continue to vape on something like that which most likely will taste burnt.
- The test seems to be based only on cigalikes that is commonly sold in Japan. Who knows how dry the cartridge was before the test? They did not explain how the cigalike was prepared before the test? Both picture of the atty looks dry to me and they did not mention what juice or cartridge they use (if any at all).
- Where does Dr.Kunugita get the "10 times higher level of formaldehyde" compared with analogues from? Read this E-cigarette aerosol contains 6 times LESS formaldehyde than tobacco cigarette smoke
- However, the last sentence in the report is rather important that "suppliers and users of E-cigarettes should pay attention to this phenomenon".
Sadly, most people (the public) that do not use e-cigs or even those who were just trying to convert will not read between the lines, into the details, and this will only create further social stigma for us, vapers.. And dissuade potential smokers to the wonderful world of vaping...
Just a side-note, I have been staying in Japan for quite sometime. You can't help but sometime wonder how powerful some big corporations are when it come to setting Japan's government policies. Maybe next news from Japan will be a news saying vaporiser are safer than e-cig... try Ploom etc.. (JT just invested in ploom)... mind you, (IMHO) they are essentially the same...
For me, it's a vape on!!
Back to this news, yes, it will be a sad day for us, vapers. This kind of news (and the test) painted a very in-accurate picture of vapping;
- The picture on the right about the e-cigs with high concentration of carbonyl compounds in the report, it looks so burnt. Who in the right mind will continue to vape on something like that which most likely will taste burnt.
- The test seems to be based only on cigalikes that is commonly sold in Japan. Who knows how dry the cartridge was before the test? They did not explain how the cigalike was prepared before the test? Both picture of the atty looks dry to me and they did not mention what juice or cartridge they use (if any at all).
- Where does Dr.Kunugita get the "10 times higher level of formaldehyde" compared with analogues from? Read this E-cigarette aerosol contains 6 times LESS formaldehyde than tobacco cigarette smoke
- However, the last sentence in the report is rather important that "suppliers and users of E-cigarettes should pay attention to this phenomenon".
Sadly, most people (the public) that do not use e-cigs or even those who were just trying to convert will not read between the lines, into the details, and this will only create further social stigma for us, vapers.. And dissuade potential smokers to the wonderful world of vaping...
Just a side-note, I have been staying in Japan for quite sometime. You can't help but sometime wonder how powerful some big corporations are when it come to setting Japan's government policies. Maybe next news from Japan will be a news saying vaporiser are safer than e-cig... try Ploom etc.. (JT just invested in ploom)... mind you, (IMHO) they are essentially the same...
For me, it's a vape on!!
One of the biggest fund donor to WHO is the tobaco company now. They need more bullets to shoot/shut us down as the numbers of Vapers are increasing greatly each year and this affect their pocket. Just wonder why WHO nv protect to ban Cigg in all countries?
SG gov is very very smart, the smartest in fact. First they take down shisha due to 10x more dangerous than cigg (The real reason is bcos of diff fav tobacoo). With shisha down, Gov now can speak louder: "Ecigg is Favoured smoke( just like shisha) which will encourage the young to take up smoking THUS we will not lift the ban"
PS: To all the tobbaco companies out there. Your faith will be like heroi*...... very fews nowsaday take it and many go for soft/party drugs instead. The market for hero** is dying and party drugs are increasing like wild fire. So join in while the market is still niche. Support us instead of trying to kill us.. Once and again it has proven in history, whatever the gov/countries tried to ban it alway bounce back double. Tats humans, we like risk and enjoy whatever is restricted..
SG gov is very very smart, the smartest in fact. First they take down shisha due to 10x more dangerous than cigg (The real reason is bcos of diff fav tobacoo). With shisha down, Gov now can speak louder: "Ecigg is Favoured smoke( just like shisha) which will encourage the young to take up smoking THUS we will not lift the ban"
PS: To all the tobbaco companies out there. Your faith will be like heroi*...... very fews nowsaday take it and many go for soft/party drugs instead. The market for hero** is dying and party drugs are increasing like wild fire. So join in while the market is still niche. Support us instead of trying to kill us.. Once and again it has proven in history, whatever the gov/countries tried to ban it alway bounce back double. Tats humans, we like risk and enjoy whatever is restricted..
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Its blasphemy, just plain nonsense, they''re trying to mislead the new and would be converts to ecigs.
I saw the picture of the atomizer in the report, who would still be vaping that?
I saw the picture of the atomizer in the report, who would still be vaping that?
Seems to be a totally biased n misleading report from only one particular new brand of cartridge cig, which most vapers will move away towards DIY.
Ref : as mentioned here:Japan to investigate e-cigarette safety after formaldehyde findings | Society | The Guardian.
CNA should do proper screening before publishing such nonsensical reports.
"...Health ministry officials acknowledged that the elevated formaldehyde levels found in a single brand of e-cigarette was not proof in itself that vaping posed an increased cancer risk.
“The most important finding is that the vapour contained recognised carcinogens,” Hiroyuki Noda, of the health ministry’s tobacco-free initiative, told the Guardian. “Our panel of experts will now look into what possible effects those substances could have on the health of e-cigarette users.”
Some experts said the findings offered no proof that e-cigarettes could harm papers’ health.
Writing on the e-cigarette research website, the Greek cardiologist Konstantinos Farsalinos said the offending device tested by Kunugita was “a single extreme case out of the many products he tested,” adding that the high formaldehyde reading may have been caused by several factors, including a faulty e-cigarette.
“Obviously, we have to realise that focusing the discussion on one of the tens of carcinogens present in tobacco cigarette smoke is misleading,” Farsalinos said."
Ref : as mentioned here:Japan to investigate e-cigarette safety after formaldehyde findings | Society | The Guardian.
CNA should do proper screening before publishing such nonsensical reports.
"...Health ministry officials acknowledged that the elevated formaldehyde levels found in a single brand of e-cigarette was not proof in itself that vaping posed an increased cancer risk.
“The most important finding is that the vapour contained recognised carcinogens,” Hiroyuki Noda, of the health ministry’s tobacco-free initiative, told the Guardian. “Our panel of experts will now look into what possible effects those substances could have on the health of e-cigarette users.”
Some experts said the findings offered no proof that e-cigarettes could harm papers’ health.
Writing on the e-cigarette research website, the Greek cardiologist Konstantinos Farsalinos said the offending device tested by Kunugita was “a single extreme case out of the many products he tested,” adding that the high formaldehyde reading may have been caused by several factors, including a faulty e-cigarette.
“Obviously, we have to realise that focusing the discussion on one of the tens of carcinogens present in tobacco cigarette smoke is misleading,” Farsalinos said."
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Major countries would count on biased reports like these to ban e-cig.. But with information so readily available on the net, it never fail to surprise and sadden me on how they can still use the old ways of dis-information to do things their way.
Only the naives will still believe them.. Sadder still plenty of them around
Only the naives will still believe them.. Sadder still plenty of them around
Our local news only publish what they want us to see.
Anything positive concerning vaping will be censored
Now even though I subscribed to the papers.. I kinda dun read them anymore.. All smoke and mirror .... designed to steer readers' opinion. I find them more useful for wrapping my veggies
think this has already been debunked as bad science posing as fact. just the magnitude of harm reduction vis-a-vis cancer sticks should open the eyes of governments around the world. unfortunately big tobacco is entrenched and well connected with politicians. so best way to kill competition is make it very expensive to comply with regulations in the "interest" of the public (cough cough) and take over when the small independent shops have closed.
Actually guys, WHO has a lot of lobbyist from the pharmaceutical and medical companies. Can you imagine if all the smokers stop smoking and people became healthier? These companies stand to lose billions of dollars. This will create havoc in many global economies. In addition, governments lose a lot in collectable taxes. Therefore, its definitely plausible for governments to lose a few lives in favour of economic stability.
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