E-cigs bad for lungs? Terrible chest pain...

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alex8039

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I've had this issue when I started smoking e-cigs back in 2012. It's like this really painful blunt pain in the internal part near the sternum. Much worse than anything I got from normal cigarettes. Quit all smoking for about 1.5 years, just got a new setup a few days ago and getting those pains again, very severe blunt pain. I smoke about 2-4mg nicotine and 0 nicotine with mostly PG base. What's the issue?:confused:
 

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Not many doctors on the forum, to my knowledge. Maybe consult a medical professional? It is an odd occurence, for sure. I've heard of all kinds of symptoms people associate with vaping, but none have ever been proven to be caused by vaping, to my knowledge.

Be aware that your physician's personal opinion regarding e-cigs, in general, is going to be the basis for his/her "professional opinion".

I'm sorry you're having chest pains. What strength nicotine are you using? Maybe just too much?

* I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV. No part of this response should be considered medical advice.
 

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Alex, you said "mostly PG" -- a lot of folks don't seem to tolerate much PG at all; have you ever tried going more towards 50/50 or more VG? It's possible the PG is just irritating your lungs; do you have any irritation in your throat or sinuses? I got that throat/sinus irritation from vaping 90% PG for several days in a row, and it was very painful.

The nicotine could be a possible culprit, as the constriction of blood vessels it causes might cause pain in assorted places and ways. Or even the flavors, if you have a sensitivity/allergy to any of the chemicals used in them.

One thing that's often suggested around here is to try vaping at the most basic level: pure PG or pure VG; see what happens; if you have any bad reaction to either, change to the other; add nicotine, see what happens. Add flavors *one at a time* and see what happens. This might be a good way to puzzle it out, since Dougiestyle is right, a doc's opinion/diagnosis will be the thru the lens of their bias regarding e-cigs, whatever that bias might be, even perhaps total ignorance. Some of these symptoms can be a real bear to figure out, because really, so little is yet known of just what e-cigs MIGHT do to any user -- they're just too new-ish for many kinds of data about them to be available, and what little is available is necessarily short-term.

Hope you can get it figured out!
Andria
 

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Andria's advice is good, try vaping pure Glycerine, USP with around 10% distilled water to thin it. And make sure to get it from a different vendor than your current supplier. If that works out OK, then add 5% PG and see what happens. Some PG is a good idea but too much, in rare cases (and your experience *is* rare) can cause problems for some. Then if all is still OK, get some 100mg strength nicotine in VG and add a little of that. Finally, if all is still well, add a simple flavor.

Using this process of elimination / re-introduction should help locate where the problem is.

It is difficult to describe vaping as harmful to the lungs, in and of itself. If moderation is employed, and safe materials used, then all it is likely to do is help protect from viral infections like colds and flu - since aerosolised PG is one of the most powerful bactericides and virucides known. People have been inhaling it in asthma inhalers for decades, with no implications apart from the occasional minor intolerance to large amounts of PG in the upper airway, as is usual. On the plus side, nicotine is about the best safe cognitive function enhancer we know of, and helps protect against certain medical conditions.

Problems may come with high volume use, excessive inclusions and consumption of any one of the refill ingredients, specific intolerances, and specific allergies. The most likely areas that will produce future problems are high volume consumption, super-hot atomisers affecting the vapour structure, and flavours that turn out to be unsuitable for inhalation.
 

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Alex, you said "mostly PG" -- a lot of folks don't seem to tolerate much PG at all; have you ever tried going more towards 50/50 or more VG? It's possible the PG is just irritating your lungs; do you have any irritation in your throat or sinuses? I got that throat/sinus irritation from vaping 90% PG for several days in a row, and it was very painful.

The nicotine could be a possible culprit, as the constriction of blood vessels it causes might cause pain in assorted places and ways. Or even the flavors, if you have a sensitivity/allergy to any of the chemicals used in them.

One thing that's often suggested around here is to try vaping at the most basic level: pure PG or pure VG; see what happens; if you have any bad reaction to either, change to the other; add nicotine, see what happens. Add flavors *one at a time* and see what happens. This might be a good way to puzzle it out, since Dougiestyle is right, a doc's opinion/diagnosis will be the thru the lens of their bias regarding e-cigs, whatever that bias might be, even perhaps total ignorance. Some of these symptoms can be a real bear to figure out, because really, so little is yet known of just what e-cigs MIGHT do to any user -- they're just too new-ish for many kinds of data about them to be available, and what little is available is necessarily short-term.

Hope you can get it figured out!
Andria

This is where I'm at right now. My brother had a PG sensitivity and my Dad had a VG sensitivity, so I've been sticking with 50/50 liquid and its been working out great. Got those two free bottles from Apollo and I guess they were higher PG, since they were way thinner. Delicious juices, but a day vaping those and I woke up the next day with my throat, nose, and sinuses on fire. Sucks.
 

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This is where I'm at right now. My brother had a PG sensitivity and my Dad had a VG sensitivity, so I've been sticking with 50/50 liquid and its been working out great. Got those two free bottles from Apollo and I guess they were higher PG, since they were way thinner. Delicious juices, but a day vaping those and I woke up the next day with my throat, nose, and sinuses on fire. Sucks.

I know what you mean; normally I'm very tolerant of PG, usually about 80%-85%, but several days of vaping 90% PG, and my throat and the whole lining of my sinuses were chemically burned, and I think that might be what allowed the cold I suffered in November to actually "get in the door." It took a while to heal, too.

My own sensitivity to VG is probably just because it's so thick; it seems to close my airways pretty drastically, which is bad when you have asthma. But as long as I stick with at least 80% PG, that doesn't bother me.

Andria
 
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