E-Cigs on Today Show (05/09/09)

[CoderGuy]

Sitting here watching the Today show and they show a teaser about the "new" way to smoke without all the cancer causing effects... but is that a good thing? Coming up on Today.

So I thought I would alert anyone that may be up and watching TV this morning to tune to NBC.

Randy

 

[jtwh20]

i saw that teaser too, and am HOPING they get the facts straight!!!

 

[ejfan1977]

Thanks for the info... Don't think I will be awake to see it LOL. But I am sure that someone here will update us on the story. Let's see how this one turns out...

 

[jtwh20]

not too bad, but they said the magic words to get politicians in an uproar "Teen Smoking" + "Teens may think its Cool"...

 

[CoderGuy]

The report itself before the interview was fairly generic and un-biased. The interview afterwords was a little irritating. Ironically the anti-smoking advocate was less critical than the physician lol.

It irritates me that they are pushing the "save the children" angle by stating that these products are marketed in a way that makes them enticing to teens and small children (I guess adults are not allowed to have flavors of any kind) and the physician's statement they are very "candy like"... maybe like a toy, but hardly candy like lol.

And of course they compared them to "other smoking cessation aids", but did acknowledge it was not being marketed as a smoking cessation tool but rather a alternative, which immediately brought up the points of causing people to smoke more, and for people that have quit for years to start again, and gateway to smoking, yada, yada, yada... and we're still at square one.

Randy

 

[ejfan1977]

SSDS - Same Sh*t, different show! Will they ever bring us a positive spin?

 

[Zaxx]

We will never get an unbiased report on a main stream media outlet, never (Unless Katie Couric or Obama starts vaping). We won't win in the media, or only hope is the courts.

 

[mottlycrw]

Its coming on in like 3 minutes on the today show.

 

[mottlycrw]

That was interesting to say the least. Those two women weren't necessarily against e-cigs, but pushing for them to be regulated.... so what do you guys think THAT means?

 

[dcsubburb]

Everyone seems to want hard science on them well stop talking and start studying them and do it quick, but don't ban them God forbid If i go back to analogs my cardiologist would kill me if the smoking didn't. He seem alright with them he had never heard of them like most docs i think.

 

[Wally]

Well the woman from the Legacy Foundation described them as a "potential public health disaster if they're not regulated" and this is very alarmist. As a matter of fact, both were alarmist, the physician also saying initially that "nictine is dangerous." They are both overlooking the obvious scientific issues: combustion vs. nicotine, etc. and they are, themselves, asserting completely unproved hypotheses (this might encourage less quitting of smoking, serve as a gateway device, etc.) The producers of the show, of course, were looking for antagonists to "balance" out the first segment of the show which was quite positive.

We need to figure how to send *lots* of comments to the producers. I think the personal testimonys about stopping cigarettes are the most effective thing we could respond with. The e-cig is actually a potential public health triumph and people have to begin to think of that possibility and introduce regulation with that in mind.

 

[halopunker]

I'm surprised that they didn't touch on the subject of price at all. Kids getting a hold of a $100 item vs $5 item, the $5 pack of cigs seems a tad bit more likely. It kills me every time someone says that 'these could be the gateway to tobacco'. But than again, we are all adults and our taste buds have somewhat been dulled and we don't like 'tasty' flavors anymore.

As far as alarmist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfIjEz1cvt8

 

[Preston Girl]

We need to figure how to send *lots* of comments to the producers. I think the personal testimonys about stopping cigarettes are the most effective thing we could respond with. The e-cig is actually a potential public health triumph and people have to begin to think of that possibility and introduce regulation with that in mind.

Good idea. It seemed to work with the report that ran the other day on WENY.
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[LaceyUnderall]

And let's not forget:

Groups like Tobacco Free Kids, et all.. receive quite a bit of money from Pharmaceutical companies to keep their businesses rolling... Of course they are going to push people to either quit or keep smoking tobacco. American Legacy gets their money from the Master Tobacco Settlement. There is no middle ground with these folks and they are unwilling to budge. Here is just one link and there are hundreds more: Capital Research Center:

What is really aggravating are the blatant lies and propaganda regarding children. Cheryl Heaton of American Legacy Foundation even refers to the ecig as a "Candy form of cigs". Apparently she is unaware of the law just passed in St. Paul, Minnesota that clearly states the ecig is not a form of candy cigarette.

Now, for those who are unaware and feel the Truth campaign would be on our side, they are not. truth Media - American Legacy Foundation We had a chilling conversation with them the other day where it was evidently clear that they are not interested in helping people to get off of the tobacco unless it is FDA approved. This is the same conversation we had with TFK two weeks ago.

But these, are all forms of propaganda we will have to fight.

The more reason to post intelligent and rational comments in articles you find. The more reason to send reasonable letters to your elected officials. The more reason to contact local news outlets and alerting them that their stories may have been one-sided. Please see the thread: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/16061-we-changed-news.html You can make a difference as these users did.

We are up against people who have been spreading lies and propaganda for years. They have financial backing like you wouldn't believe. It is going to take each and everyone of us to put that bullsh*t to rest.

Here's another something to read up on: http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Campaign_for_Tobacco-Free_Kids

 

[playerags]

Has anyone noticed that when the major news networks do a story on e-cigs, they usually don't talk to people who are actual users of the device? Or is it just me?

Btw. I didn't watch the Today Show story.

 

[cyberwolf]

I never cease to be amazed at how these so-called health advocates are simply not capable of separating smoking from nicotine. Almost any article you can find when researching the dangers of nicotine addiction will really be about the dangers of smoking. I would love to hear just once that if for every person who quits smoking, one more becomes addicted to nicotine without smoking, it's still a public health improvement.

 

[Sun Vaporer]

For those that missed this story--here is the link again--Sun


See Today Show Video Player

 

[StudioKraft]

Wow - props to the interviewer, he seemed to ask some pointed questions to the guests, questioning the FDA's regulatory authority and trying to clarify that there is no tar/chemicals in the e-cigarette. I also like how he came back after the Dr. spoke about how harmful nicotine is by saying "folks will say, 'yeah, but you give us nicotine products to try to reduce our cravings'".

(Also, I always thought the phrase was "Smoke 'em if you got 'em", not "If you got 'em, smoke 'em")

 

[riddle80]

Guess we have 2 threads going with the same subject. I posted this on the other but I'll go ahead and post it here too. I went to the American Legacy Foundations website and found this that was recently released:

http://www.americanlegacy.org/PDF/Electronic_Cigarettes.pdf

They want them off the market until they are FDA approved.

 

[LaceyUnderall]

Guess we have 2 threads going with the same subject. I posted this on the other but I'll go ahead and post it here too. I went to the American Legacy Foundations website and found this that was recently released:

http://www.americanlegacy.org/PDF/Electronic_Cigarettes.pdf

They want them off the market until they are FDA approved.

Yes. They believe if it isn't a pharmaceutical way of quitting, then it shouldn't exist. That's what they told us in our phone conversation with them. We kept stressing to them that this is an alternative to smoking and they strongly believe there is no such thing.

So I guess getting the Truth Campaign to do an advertisement on the ecig is not going to happen (unless it is to say the ecig is bad like tobacco of course).