E-juice from china \ US

[FlyinMozart]

Hi I am new to e-cig, used it abt a week now and simply love it. Haven't smoke an analog once I got the e-cig. And I hope to enjoy it for years to come.However I am getting my supplies of e-juice currently from China, sadly to say I dun have much confident in their quality control over long term period. I am not sure if I order the juice from US are they made in china and re-branded stuff as well, so it's backed to square one. Are there any signs to check if there is something fishy (smell, colour...) in the e juice before we put them into our body?

Just a curious newbie asking dumb questions please bear with me

 

[HazeyPurpleHippy]

I stay away from china made juice as well. With the thousands of U.S. made juice companies available online, it's really easy to avoid china made juices. Almost any company whose juices are U.S. made, are very proud of that fact, and advertise on there website, that their juices are U.S. made. Hope this helps!

 

[swedishfish]

Hi I am new to e-cig, used it abt a week now and simply love it. Haven't smoke an analog once I got the e-cig. And I hope to enjoy it for years to come.However I am getting my supplies of e-juice currently from China, sadly to say I dun have much confident in their quality control over long term period. I am not sure if I order the juice from US are they made in china and re-branded stuff as well, so it's backed to square one. Are there any signs to check if there is something fishy (smell, colour...) in the e juice before we put them into our body?

Just a curious newbie asking dumb questions please bear with me

Some are. I vape nhaler's juice which I assume is chinese juice. I believe his high voltage is US made but I believe his nhale/xhale juice is from china and he oversees the production of the juice. He doesn't hide the fact.

If a juice is US made, it's usually stated on the website.

 

[BardicDruid]

I only buy from China, Dekang's lab is ISO 9000 certified, I'll take an international certification over "trust me" any day. Dekang's lab is inspected on a regular basis for medical grade production, the only lab in the US that has any type of certification is Johnson Creek. I hear a lot on this forum about how e-liquid changes from order to order from US mixers, some even suggest letting it sit so it can finish blending. I've been using Dekang for almost two years now and have never see any inconstantsies in my liquid, I can also go to the Dekang site and see just what's in their liquid.

 

[dormouse]

I don't buy from China but I use a couple of Dekang juices (RY4 and DK-TAB and Vanilla) as mixers and thinner for some US juices and I vape the RY4 alone sometimes. There have been no problems with Dekang so far. Madvapes has the Dekang juices cheap. I also use Vapor4Life juices and I know those are made in a Chinese factory to their specification. Most of the "name" brands and all of the number brands have prefilled carts/cartos that have China-manufacture juice in them because all slim ecigs are made in China. Two of my main juices are from a "name" brand that has a Chinese factory make its own juices.

The problem with 100% PG for new vapers is mouth/throat/lung irritation because nicotine is a skin irritant. PG is thin and it lets through flavor, nicotine TH, nicotine irritation the best and makes thin visible vapor. VG dulls/smooths everything PG lets through and makes thicker looking vapor (but VG is too thick alone for many methods of vaping). When I started 18mg 100% PG juice made my tongue sore and numb. But 18mg 70PG/30VG was fine - no irritation. Now that I use cartomizers almost exclusively, I prefer 80PG/20VG (ie a bit thinner) juice for good carto wicking and drag - helps my cartos work well longer.

So one benefit of US juices is PG/VG blends. Another is flavors. Lots more flavors.

 

[swedishfish]

I think all the prefilled cartos are chinese juice, volt, V4L, bloog.

 

[Mindfield]

I had a very bad experience (as in, bad for my health) with some bad, generic Chinese juice last year. Now, apart from real Dekang (you can get the fake stuff -- make sure you see YNDK on the bottom of the cap somewhere or else it's fake) I will not order any juice from China. Besides, there are a metric pantsload of US vendors to order from and I'm only too happy to sample them one by one.

 

[JustaGuy]

This question comes up again & again. I started out "buying American" but no more. I'm with BardicDruid. Here's my opinion from a similar conversation, post #4. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/new-members-forum/207710-please-explain-deal-china.html

dormouse, had bad experience with Madvapes "Dekang", I don't touch it anymore.

 

[vocr]

Really its not a regional issue, besides Dekang, its a trust issue. As BardicDruid said and AFAIK, only Dekang is tested. Fact is there is no one testing juices and greed is a powerful motivator for humans no matter where they are. So if you aren't buying Dekang, then its about trusting that vendor. Even if you are buying dekang, well dekang sells stock juice in bulk. Some vendors buy that and then mix in their own nic or even re-balance the VG/PG ratio and still call it Dekang. You have to trust they are putting good stuff in there.

For me, I'm moving to DIY. That way I can control what is in my juice to a certain extent. However, while you can buy PG and VG that is certified, the flavor and nic juice still boils down to trust. This is the wild west right now. Trust your gun and your horse and watch your back (what movie is that from?).

On a serious note, in another thread I speculated on why no NGO has stepped in to do independent juice testing. That is really what we need.

 

[JustaGuy]

Btw, FlyinMozart (great composer, I have everything he wrote through K. 6XX), don't accept "bad batch" and consistency excuses from a vendor. I just posted about that http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-e-smoking-discussion/212851-what-my-eliquid-its-burning-my-nose-throat-2.html#post3840528

 

[Ralikar]

I use Johnson Creek and won't use Chinese juice. ISO cert is actually a scam in the US business world, used as a marketing tool and it pertains to corporate procedures not health and safety. The fact is, if something happens to you from juice bought directly from China good luck with legal compensation. I used to work at a pharma co and we ordered tongue depressors w/a logo for the sales reps to leave with peds doctors and the Chinese sent lead based painted tongue depressors -- for children. We found out in time... Accidents happen, but China doesn't have a free press and information process so if you trust them more than US maufacturers it's your decision. But I don't.

 

[BardicDruid]

I use Johnson Creek and won't use Chinese juice. ISO cert is actually a scam in the US business world, used as a marketing tool and it pertains to corporate procedures not health and safety. The fact is, if something happens to you from juice bought directly from China good luck with legal compensation. I used to work at a pharma co and we ordered tongue depressors w/a logo for the sales reps to leave with peds doctors and the Chinese sent lead painted tongue depressors -- for children. We found out in time... Accidents happen, but China doesn't have a free press and information process so if you trust them more than US maufacturers it's your decision. But I don't.

Ya know if it was an American Cert I might believe you, but considering this is the bulk of the rest of the world I think I'll trust it. After all American Certs got us Chantix.

 

[Ralikar]

And China gives us this:

2008 Chinese milk scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A quote from the WHO about China baby milk fraud "large-scale intentional activity to deceive consumers for simple, basic, short-term profits."

In America companies like Gerber get caught scamming people by putting sugar water instead of apple juice in baby juice, but we don't injure or kill them.

 

[swedishfish]

I think if you happen to like a particular juice, you should buy it. If you like supporting a US vendor, buy from them!

If you 'think' one juice is better than another based on anything else such as labs, quality control, etc and that's important to you, your best bet is to DIY. Short of taking a road trip to China or peering in people's windows that make juice we don't know.

 

[JustaGuy]

How about some of our greatest hits? I heard something about 70 millions pounds of chicken destroyed. Very few of our cows were actually examined for mad cows. Here's FDA's list of recalls:

Current Recalls & Alerts (Open Federal Recall Cases for FSIS)

Yes, some folks were injured or killed here.

Edit: still searching for others, meanwhile, here's a 36 million pound turkey recall http://www.fsis.usda.gov/News_&_Events/Recall_060_2011_Release/index.asp

 

[BardicDruid]

And the thing is I can't find anyone who bothered to even check Sanlu Group's operations to see what they were doing, so because one company gets away with something the one that has gone through the trouble of getting and maintaining an international certification does the same thing??

 

[wv2win]

Here we go again that everything made in the US is good, everything from China is bad - BS. Most American made eliquid is made in basements, garages and at kitchen tables with NO regulation or oversight. I am not saying that American made eliquids are unsafe. But this BS about Chinese e-liquids (not tongue surpressors) is just plain prejuidice. 90% of all liquid vaped is from China. To date, there have been no reported issues with Chinese made e-liquids. And that covers the last 5 years. The vast majority of US companies have been in business for about a year.

 

[FlyinMozart]

WOw! Thanks guys for sharing so much knowledge and pointing which directions to look into. Now got to spend more time doing more read up and research. Anyway I ordered my last batch of e-juice 2 days back total about 500ml in total from this chinese based company (E-C.I.G) which I first got my started kit from. Heard they are the manufacturer their juice so far still safe rite?

 

[mafig]

I only buy from China, Dekang's lab is ISO 9000 certified, I'll take an international certification over "trust me" any day. Dekang's lab is inspected on a regular basis for medical grade production, the only lab in the US that has any type of certification is Johnson Creek. I hear a lot on this forum about how e-liquid changes from order to order from US mixers, some even suggest letting it sit so it can finish blending. I've been using Dekang for almost two years now and have never see any inconstantsies in my liquid, I can also go to the Dekang site and see just what's in their liquid.

i concur with yr thinking,beside e-cig "invented" by Hon Lik from China & most of the manufacturers from China..Prices just amazing if U know what U need but still shop around for best prices..only be patience for delivery(10-14 days to Malaysia)..regards mafig

 

[wv2win]

WOw! Thanks guys for sharing so much knowledge and pointing which directions to look into. Now got to spend more time doing more read up and research. Anyway I ordered my last batch of e-juice 2 days back total about 500ml in total from this chinese based company (E-C.I.G) which I first got my started kit from. Heard they are the manufacturer their juice so far still safe rite?

I have not heard of them. Here is one Chinese supplier and one UK/US company that uses Chinese liquid that are well supported here on ECF:

Liberty Flights: E Liquid - Original - E Liquid 5ML - PG - Tobaccos

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