e-liquid is a "tobacco product"

[FireDragon1138]

Edited to add - I just reread your comment and I misunderstood it. You're saying we should be battling the regulation on cigarettes, not just impending regulation on e-cigarettes. I disagree on that.

No, I didn't say that at all... I merely am saying that vapers trying to flee the stigma of being "tobacco users" or smokers is not only unrealistic, it's politically suicide.

Frankly, I find it shocking how much the vaping community is "anti-tobacco", I never would have expected it before I got into it. But it really is splitting your nose to spite your face. To a non-smoker, you're a smoker that's using a new little electronic gadget to get their fix, not a "vaper". vaping doesn't have the kind of cultural currency of smoking, and it's unrealistic to expect non-smokers to adopt vaper Newspeak.

 

[Harlen]

As a smoker I would go to the smokes shop that had a roiling machine ( this is in Maine ) The state made them take them out or file as a manufacturer of cigarets .
It all works down to the money.

 

[p.opus]

As a smoker I would go to the smokes shop that had a roiling machine ( this is in Maine ) The state made them take them out or file as a manufacturer of cigarets .
It all works down to the money.

Well, to be honest that was a pretty serious loophole in the system.

The tax was against cigarettes, so to get around the tax on cigs, people were going to shops.."renting" the machine (the staff were not supposed to touch the machines....yeah right), and rolling 200 cigs in 10 minutes on their own to avoid the tax on cigs.

The shop was in fact manufacturing the cigarette since they were maintaining the machine, cleaning the machine, buying the machine and more often than not operating the machine.

Don't get me wrong. I exploited that loophole for all it was worth, but I understand how a small tobacco company like some of the local ones down here in So. Florida, were getting upset because they were being undercut in price from a bunch of stores that were pumping out 5000 smokes an hour and not having to pay the tax....

The Tax specifically left out DIY smokes based on the assumption that it was an individual pumping out a couple dozen smokes for his own use, not a tobacco shop pumping out 5000 smokes an hour with a whole slew of semi automated machines.

 

[Anubuk]

The FDA is a hypocritical greedy association. If you look into all the many chemicals/pharmaceuticals they approve to be added to or used for production of the many things we ingest (food, drugs,etc.),so many of them are dangerous to us, our environment, future generations.


It all goes back to profit, those with the means can purchase approval behind closed doors, influence lobbyists and those with the power to sway the ones that wave the stamps of approval. With big tobacco buying up other companies I can assure you their rights and products will be protected. And in return if they have to negotiate flavor restrictions they will to some extent.

I don't see why we won't be able to still purchase mods, batteries and rebuilding supplies as long as they do not contain or come with nicotine e-liquid. It is our flavors we love, the vendors and makers of our favorite juices, our ability to buy concentrated nicotine for diy and also increased taxes on such supplies that is at risk. I do not mind a small bit of taxes, taxes will happen and we have to face that. The issue with taxes is they are going to try to make up for lost cigarette sales taxes through e-cig taxes which will make the amount of tax on e-cigs ridiculous.

This whole thing could possibly drive us into a black market industry with way less safety than we than we currently have, especially if we are unable to obtain the nicotine for our juices. People will resort to home extraction which has the potential for danger. Look what prohibition of drugs did and the bootlegging during alcohol prohibition. Black market, black market, black market.

 

[TheColdHandedVG]

I am in the dietary supplement industry myself, and I must say that many people don't really understand how the FDA works. They have limited man-power and will have a very hard time keeping up with all of the B&M's out there. The reality is that they can barely handle approval of dietary supplement related stuff as it is, so when you throw in the mass amount of requests for approval they will receive when the regulations go into effect they will just not be able to handle it. B&M's will be able to go about their business for the most part because the FDA doesn't have the man-power to shut anyone down who doesn't follow the regulations. The only thing that is going to hurt the local mom and pop shops would be the regulation on the major manufacturers of flavoring and other associated eliquid constitutes. If local B&M's find their own way to make their own flavoring or find under-the-radar manufacturers there will be very little effects from these regulations. The FDA requires tons and tons of approvals for dietary supplements and I can tell you that most, if not all smaller companies don't follow any of the regulations. The only people affected are major manufacturers because they are a huge blimp on the radar.

 

[bluecat]

If eliquid containing nicotine derived from tobacco is considered a "tobacco product," then is cheese not a meat product?

Depends if our highly intelligent elected officials wish it to be or not. Did I mention their intelligence?

 

[bluecat]

No, I didn't say that at all... I merely am saying that vapers trying to flee the stigma of being "tobacco users" or smokers is not only unrealistic, it's politically suicide.

Frankly, I find it shocking how much the vaping community is "anti-tobacco", I never would have expected it before I got into it. But it really is splitting your nose to spite your face. To a non-smoker, you're a smoker that's using a new little electronic gadget to get their fix, not a "vaper". Vaping doesn't have the kind of cultural currency of smoking, and it's unrealistic to expect non-smokers to adopt vaper Newspeak.

It's all semantics. It's like the vapers who call their liquid, juice. In the same vein, vape is smoke. Quite frankly people should be more worried about the vapers that call e liquid, e juice, than vapers that call vape, smoke.

 

[kgevans]

E-liquid is marketed as a cigarette substitute and all the nicotine in e-liquid is tobacco derived, so it I don't understand why people are baffled when governments expect to regulate e-cigarettes as a tobacco product.

It's not about reason or sense. It's about money.

 

[Baldr]

E-liquid is marketed as a cigarette substitute and all the nicotine in e-liquid is tobacco derived, so it I don't understand why people are baffled when governments expect to regulate e-cigarettes as a tobacco product.

I'm not using nicotine. You can pretend I'm using tobacco all you want, but your theory and reality have nothing to do with each other.