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I bought an E Power 18650 a few weeks ago and have been using it with 510 attys dripping with no problems. This week I purchased a dual coil tank cartomizer so I don't have to keep dripping. I hooked up the atomizer and tank and tried to take a hit. It worked for about 2 seconds then the blue led on the switch started blinking and there was no more power going to the cartomizer. I tried it again and it did the same thing. I think these are 1.6 OHM Cartomizers. So, I put the tank and carto on an old ego battery and it worked fine. My question is; why would it not work on the E Power, and is there a way to make them work?
 

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I'm getting pretty annoyed about this. It worked perfectly with the Gotvapes Sapphire Tankomizers (3.0-3.2ohm) for nearly 6 months. Today, it died. I screw it in all the way, hit the button, it blinks for ten seconds. I unscrew it a bit, then it blinks for three seconds. Either way, I cannot get a hit. Whether I use the sapphire, a classic cart and atomizer, it doesnt matter what I use. The batteries are fully charged.
 

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I also have a 14650 E-Power Unit; however, upon arrival of the unit, I had batteries that were not holding a charge & the lights kept blinking. I contacted my vendor who replaced the ICR (I think that's what they are but I would have to wake my daughter to find out & it's too late plus she's is fighting a cold and has 1 more day of driver's education where she actually DRIVES!) I can't see the letters/numbers on the batteries without assistance b/c of my vision or rather the lack thereof with the exception of the fact I can sometimes see things if they are large enough & within 1-2in from my eyes but even those days are becoming more and more few and farther between.

The vendor was extremely nice (Kudo shout-out to Carolina Vapes) and sent out two batteries by SmokTech (I had my daughter read what was on the batteries so I could tell them apart as I attempted to find out what was wrong with the help of my husband, who is sighted btw... The Smoktech batteries are thicker & have a thicker sheath of plastic on them; however, there brings in yet another problem within the last few weeks... One of the SmokTech batteries will light up as green after it charges for a few hours but it will not turn on inside my 14650 E-Power. I get nothing, no light in the button, no sizzle sound from the e-liquid, no vape or anything. It's like it just quit.

My husband attempted to pull the springy thing in the bottom of the tube out some by stretching it and it worked okay for a while w/exception to one of the ICR (could be different anagram but it was one that came with the unit) and the one SmokTech. He even went so far as to create a slug to go underneath the spring to give the battery just a slight lift in the tube from beneath the spring.

I need to buy new batteries and I've heard some good and some bad about the high-drains so I wonder if I should stick with the regular 14650; however, now I don't know what to buy. Does anyone have any suggestions on a safe battery in the 14650 size that will work in my E-Power to make it work at its best b/c when it works, it ROCKS!

Also, any ideas about the spring? Once it comes loose from the bottom, it's always bouncing around in there and I have to work and work at it to get the spring in the right place then make it stay while inserting my battery. Any help there?

One last thing, I have found these magnet slug-like things (slugs were once upon a time used to get free sodas and smokes out of machines b/c the slug was the same weight, thickness, and size as the coins that go into the unit.
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1: Will these magnetic slug-like things help?
2: Where would I place them?
3: Are they safe to use in an E-Power ?sa
4: What is the purpose of the magnetic slug-like thing?
5: If they will improve my vaping experience with the E-Power 14650 (and if I can save enough money, although it will probably take me 6 to 9 months to save tenough as it took me a little over 4mos to save for the E-Power 14650, what size of these things work best for the 14650 as well as the 18650, should I actually find a way to save to buy the newer, more powerful unit?)

Any assistance is highly appreciated...And welcome...

Paise

I don't have an 18650, but I use my 14650 epower all the time with a tank/resurecter cartos and it works perfectly. I'm so sorry you're having these problems :(
 

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Paise, I wasn't impressed with the hi-drains in my 14650...the stock batteries out performed them hands down, 10hrs versus 12-14hrs making them not worth the extra money...they are also shorter than the stock batts, making it necessary to stretch the spring for proper contact...the magnets give a flat top batt a button top or to use as spacers and will not improve batt life.....
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Would the magnet spacers add any depth to the battery in order for the battery to connect properly at the bottom on the spring (it's a "B" to get out to stretch & bigger "B" to get back in without smushing it again) so it can push upwards into the switch area?

Also, do you think the battery I have that shows green that it's charged yet won't do anything when slipped into the tube could mean the batt is dead?

Thanks. I've kinda been looking, no pun intended, at various mod additions lately while I ponder how in the world I will be able to save for the 18650 E-Power after it took me a bit over 4mos to afford the 14650 model E-Power. I want that higher ramped E-cig so badly. I've been able to take a vape or two off one & it's great; hwr, when you don't have much $, even a small amount when compared to the $100 to $300 models is still a lot of money. It's more difficult this time of year b/c it's cold & my joints don't move as well, neither do my fingers so I haven't been able to get much freelance work in or even typed up. Plus, it took some 6mos and finally 2 high-dose antibiotics, 1 was a pill that'd choke a mule and the other was an ear drop but it worked - finally. I still have the vertigo but that's a small price to pay to get rid of an annoying infection that didn't want to let go; it was relentless!

thanks for the info. Btw, I can't find the 14650 model with batteries that perform at 1300mah. Where do these batteries hang out at for sale? Also, I've had the batteries since July 7th and and the 2nd batts since around August/September. Is this a time-frame that the batteries would last normally?

Thanks...

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The E-Power is regulated or capped and or pulsed (some sort of techie term) so you are not getting direct battery current. The current is pulsed at 3.7v until the battery drops below that and then you run at battery voltage until the vape drops off and you recharge. A high drain battery won't give you any advantage.
 

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The E-Power is regulated or capped and or pulsed (some sort of techie term) so you are not getting direct battery current. The current is pulsed at 3.7v until the battery drops below that and then you run at battery voltage until the vape drops off and you recharge. A high drain battery won't give you any advantage.

To me - this makes no sense. Can you add anything? Don't think e-power is regulated but certainly not sure. Don't think e-power is capped either - but not sure. But so what. If not running on battery power what power is being run?
 

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I am not sure if anyone can answer this for me but I figured if anyone might have the answer, it would be this group as you guys literally ROCK when it comes to information regarding the E-Power e-cig....

Ok, after having got my kudos and major props in for those who most assuredly deserve them both (includes everyone on this thread list & many others).... Here's my question...

Does anyone know if the 18650 battery will fit into the tube that comes with (and sold as a separate tube extra) for the 14650, can you tell me if the 18650 battery will fit into the same tube used for the 14650 battery of the E-Power?

I am asking this b/c I want to buy an E-Power 18650 to have as a backup in case my 14650 E-Power should go wonky or quit and I can have a backup at least until I can replace whatever doesn't work. My problem is that I cannot afford to buy an E-POwer 18650 straight out. It took me some 4+months to afford to purchase the 14650 E-Power and there were months when I literally went without things I needed (including a couple of medicine refills b/c the co-pays went toward the E-Power to keep me from back-sliding to the analogs - I know; my doctor was ...... when he learned that my health dropped a bit over the time I was going without the couple of refill medicines b/c it's not "safe for a person with no immune system or more appropriate an immune system that doesn't function as it should as the immune system should save our lives and not fight against the very cells that should be making the repairs..." yada, yada, yada... My doc was ...... but in the end, at least he understood my reason though he refused to even allow me the courtesy of the ends justifying the means defense)

I keep thinking if the tube fits, I have a spare tube b/c I thought since my original tube's spring refused to stay in the bottom of the tube, it was most likely the reason why I was having crappy results all of a sudden but in the end, it turned out that the spring could be pulled to lengthen it although with the new tube, I can't seem to get the tube's spring to come up off the bottom; hwr, it's acting much better except for the flashing battery color from the button when I press it. It flashes like it's low-charged when I know full well it's completely charged!

If the 18650 battery will fit into the 14650 tube, then all I would have to save for is the batteries since the charger I have will fit that battery so there is no need for another charger. If the tube fits and the charger works then I can get the batteries (1 for use, 2nd for alternating - found great battery site where the 14650s are the actual amp/volt/ohm or whatever they are said to they actually are. It's at http:// www.electronicstix.com/. The batteries are amazing! I order the TrustFire brand as recommended by my friend, thanks in great part and appreciation to the introduction by MadJacks to the ower/co-owner/etc... from Crystal Clear Vaping who recommended the batteries and the store! Thanks to both MJ & Andrew from CCV for bringing CCV to my attention in addition to the best batteries I have had the pleasure of using yet! So, if I can manage the batteries (they seem to be sold in pairs but they're extremely reasonably cost and the batteries I have had so far from Electronicstix have been top notch w/exception of 1 DOA, which was immediately replaced without question or issue - again, great company to do business with and I highly recommend them for your battery needs with regards to Mod-Batteries... If I have the batteries, which are not terribly expensive and a tube I can use (possibly) all I lack is the switch and hope the cartos (CCV 1.7s) I have come to enjoy using - or other optional cartos/attys/etc... that will work better with the 18650 power... I would be set with a spare put back in case I should need a new switch or new batteries etc...

I hope that makes sense. I have had one of the worst days today, actually it ranks up there with the worst weeks. My eyes are hurting like mad due to the inflammation of the corneas despite using the $%@#$ drops that make my eyes burn plus the additional ointment goop to moisturize my eyes as they are so dry it feels as if my eyelids have sandpaper attached on the underside and no amount of ointment or seprate drops will help with the pain. As if that were not enough, I have a chalazion (cyst of the eyelid) on my right eye that is hurting to the point where it's not just light in general that causes my eyes and hence in succession my head to pound, it is the knot itself that is getting larger meaning I have to put in a call to the ophthalmologist to surgically remove this one as well as a 2nd one that is smaller but still it's becoming irritating just by being where it is located.

It's just I am hoping it's more affordable piecemeal than buying at one time... Not sure if it's possible but it would be nice if it were. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate a heads up.

Warmest regards and best of wishes for this new year,

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Hi Paise,
The 18650 epower is not compatible or interchangeable with the 14650.
The switch is bigger, the batteries are fatter as is the battery tube for the 18650.

I think alot of your problems are related to the spring and bad connection.
Read here on how i recommend to adjust the spring.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...determined-now-i-need-figure-out-how-fix.html
Use a long shanked philips screwdriver to gently tap the bottom cap out of the battery tube so you can stretch the spring and insert it properly without it popping outta place again.
Also wipe the inner threads of the battery tube and the outer threads of the switch that screws into the battery tube and a tarnish can buildup and impair connection, this can occur on the bottom endcap of battery tube causing poor connection as well.
Use a multi meter to check your batteries when they come off the charger, they should be putting out 4.10 or so fresh off the charger with the stock batteries and charger.
Its possible the spring might just need to be replaced as well...

All you need is to get a spare 14650, forget the 18650 as its not interchangeable with the smaller 14650.




And id almost be certain that the OP issue was the centre pin on the carto was recessed into the carto too much and needed to be pulled out to make contact and it would have worked fine. I have this same issue with the DCT's, the cartos just dont protrude enough compared to other designs.
 

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Thanks for the info. I'll have DH check it out. I can print him a copy so he can follow it when working on the tube and spring. I can't see well enough to trust myself to do this alone. Now if it was a 4blr carburetor, it would be a whole other story. Those are much larger and I have almost instant recall on where everything is and what I can't remember, the space is large enough for me to tactility find what I need to repair it and keep adjusting until it works. I've had the pleasure of working with a great bunch of guys long before DH and I started dating. The owner was a close friend of the family and offered me a job straightening out his bookkeeping or lack thereof, and keeping the books and filing, answering phones, setting appointments, & calling in part orders to be delivered from the primary outfit we used for parts. Although, if the guys needed help and we were behind, I had no problem pulling on a pair of coveralls (though most often I tied the sleeves around my waste since I always had a few changes of workout gear in a bag in my car b/c I belonged to a fitness center gym back then but it was great when I had the chance to work on cars and esp engines...).

The problem now is the lack of vision. It makes working small things difficult even with the use of a CCTV reader that enlarges everything; even DH & our daughters have used it over the years for various projects/repairs....

I'm sure he can follow your directions and fix the spring or replace it. I have 2 spares I ordered sometime back when I thought the initial tube's spring was bad. It came loose and I didn't think I'd ever get it in the bottom right but DH managed though I don't know what he used to keep it in place b/c it kept popping up and turning when I tried to stretch it not to mention it squished down again when trying to get it in that blasted tube!

Thanks for the insight and information. It's appreciated more than you can imagine. I just want to keep a working PV and find a way to get a backup just in case one goes bad. I'll have 3 years in on July 7, and I don't want to screw that up by slipping with an analog cigarettes b/c of the nicotine cravings even though they are better and lower than when I began, which is all good...

As for the 5/6v options, I think it's more that I want to try them to see if they vape better somehow than the one I am using b/c I tell you, the E-Power 14650 is a major kick up from the Janty Dura/Dura-C and even the Ego. I can only imagine that an 18650 would be much stronger, last a bit longer, and put out a better vape. If I were a cat and the old saying of curiosity killed the cat, I'd been dead a long time ago. LOL! :)

Thx again, Paise


Hi Paise,
The 18650 epower is not compatible or interchangeable with the 14650.
The switch is bigger, the batteries are fatter as is the battery tube for the 18650.

I think alot of your problems are related to the spring and bad connection.
Read here on how i recommend to adjust the spring.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...determined-now-i-need-figure-out-how-fix.html
Use a long shanked philips screwdriver to gently tap the bottom cap out of the battery tube so you can stretch the spring and insert it properly without it popping outta place again.
Also wipe the inner threads of the battery tube and the outer threads of the switch that screws into the battery tube and a tarnish can buildup and impair connection, this can occur on the bottom endcap of battery tube causing poor connection as well.
Use a multi meter to check your batteries when they come off the charger, they should be putting out 4.10 or so fresh off the charger with the stock batteries and charger.
Its possible the spring might just need to be replaced as well...

All you need is to get a spare 14650, forget the 18650 as its not interchangeable with the smaller 14650.




And id almost be certain that the OP issue was the centre pin on the carto was recessed into the carto too much and needed to be pulled out to make contact and it would have worked fine. I have this same issue with the DCT's, the cartos just dont protrude enough compared to other designs.
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To me - this makes no sense. Can you add anything? Don't think e-power is regulated but certainly not sure. Don't think e-power is capped either - but not sure. But so what. If not running on battery power what power is being run?

What makes no sense? I have a digital meter that attaches between the device and atty/carto, it shows the exact voltage. It also shows that the unit pulses until the battery drops below 3.7 volts.

Where did I say, it does not run on battery power? I said that the unit does not run on direct battery current. The power from the battery goes through a PCB in the unit. The PCB regulates the power that goes to the atty/carto.

Is there a reason for your post?
 

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As for the 5/6v options, I think it's more that I want to try them to see if they vape better somehow than the one I am using b/c I tell you, the E-Power 14650 is a major kick up from the Janty Dura/Dura-C and even the Ego. I can only imagine that an 18650 would be much stronger, last a bit longer, and put out a better vape. If I were a cat and the old saying of curiosity killed the cat, I'd been dead a long time ago. LOL! :)

Thx again, Paise
The 18650 and 14650 batteries are both 3.7v, the only big difference is the 18650 has a larger capacity and will run longer between charges. Still same voltage, still the same hit when used in epowers as both models of epowers regulate the output to around the 3.7v.
There was a 5v switch for the 18650 model but it had many problems and smoktech is still trying to fix it. Now if you put the 18650 battery into a different mod such as a provari, then yes you could have the higher voltage as the provari is a variablevoltage regulator and not a fixed one like the epowers.
And yes, always have backups for the backups.....
 

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I'm glad to have a second opinion, but after MadJack explained the issue regarding the high-drain batteries, I definitely 86'ed the idea

The batteries I am using now are 14650; however, they are 14650 that have the right (as mentioned in original packaging) voltage or mah's or whatever it is supposed to be at. I found the more appropriate batteries through electronicstix.com and these are TrustFire 14650 batteries only they have the right "whatever they are supposed to be" with the power output vs having 14650 with only 900mah or 1000mah rather than the mah (I'm sure it's the mah, fairly sure anyhow) and these have it. I've noticed a major increase in battery power as well as longivity when compared to the ICR batteries that came with the unit. it's like they are more stable or something of the like. I hope that makes sense.

I've got two ways of explaining things: Audibly and tactilely and they both require descriptive explanations that I can give either through what I can touch or the extent of use and time-frame. The further I fall into the totally blind world, the more I come to rely on these two methods so at times it is not always easy for me to relay what I am thinking and attempting to say simply because I cannot quantify it into words as well as I would like or need to do so. Hope that makes sense too. :)

Paise



I agree with Madjack on this Paise :)
 

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Ummmm.....


You went from a standard resistance 510 atty to a low resistance dual coil and it wont fire?????




Smoketech had alot of problems with their switches on anything below 2 ohms and its all over this forum. Beg borrow or steal a standard resistance something (cart, clearo or atty) and see if if it fires.


I'll bet a 6 pack its the switch not liking low resistance hardware.


they had the same problem on both units (14xxx and 18xxx) and thats why I bought a Joye 18650 instead.
 
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AZ: I hope I am not overstepping my bounds here but many many many years ago, I used to help my birth father on job sites when he was putting in the wiring. I even did most of the upgraded wiring to one of my first apartments I lived in - again many many many years ago before I landed in the land of blindness. Granted, I've forgotten more than most apprentice electricians will ever know, particularly being as how I am petrified of electricity or working on it these days because my vision is almost non-existant plus the added joy of being color blind so I'm no electrician anymore. (the retinal disease, optic nerve damage, and damage due to the 2 - well 3 actually, autoimmune diseases are what caused the color-blindness. Mostly, it's to like colors but there are times when even contrasting colors are giving me problems; however, that is because the retinas or rather the retinas abiltiy to work is dying on me)..

Most people don't understand how electricity works. It's like when the power goes out in your home during a thunderstorm with lightening. The power will flicker on for a few seconds after the lightening strike hits somewhere to knock it out but there are transformers that are still sending that little bit of juice down the line giving each home a few seconds to micro-seconds of juice until the power goes out completely. I think JW50 is lost on the idea as to how the battery's juice works much like electricity when hit by lightening as mentioned above; power is still available in the unit but only a second to micro-second if even that long then it's gone b/c the one place it was stored is out of juice and thus so is the e-cig without a fresh battery or figuring out what is causing the battery issues in the first place.

Does that sound about right? (Again, I haven't worked on a high-rise or even wired my own home in some 35+yrs - Mother used to go ape-..... when she'd show up on occasion on the jobs and find me walking the beams without being on a tie-out safety line. Even the Old Man used to go bonkers over it. I finally just caved & started tying up to the safety, which was a smart thing to do. I was just at home with heights but don't think I'm putting my backside in a 50ft manhole or an air duct; that ain't gonna happen!) :)

Paise



What makes no sense? I have a digital meter that attaches between the device and atty/carto, it shows the exact voltage. It also shows that the unit pulses until the battery drops below 3.7 volts.

Where did I say, it does not run on battery power? I said that the unit does not run on direct battery current. The power from the battery goes through a PCB in the unit. The PCB regulates the power that goes to the atty/carto.

Is there a reason for your post?
 

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That actually makes sense.

I have 1 atomizer that will work in almost everything I have but it will NOT work in the E-Power 14650. I had my (sighted) daughter look at the atty to see if there was something different about it. She read the words that are written down the side that states: Low Resistent.

I'm not saying that I know how low the resistence is b/c I can't recall off the top of my head. I think it was a beanie I received in an order but it worked great on the Ego I used before switching to the E-Power and the mod-box, the latter of which was a major surprise of the most welcome proportions from a group of wonderful vapors here when my batteries were dying and I couldn't keep paying the $20+/- for every battery and keeping up with attys b/c I didn't care for cartos at the time as they all leaked or had horrible tastes etc.. They've improved considerably now compared to what they were. MOF, I have like 2 batteries that are in their home stretch in the Ego and if I run out or want to vape an atty if I don't have any available for the E-Power, which I ususually don't but not because I don't want to have a couple. I just can't afford them at the moment esp with the deals on cartos going on everywhere. I'm used to switching out flavors off an on through the week and it's not easy when using cartos as it is with attys; but I digress...

I've had similar experience when using the atty that has "Low Resistent" written down the side of the atomizer when it's in the E-Power; it just won't work and requires me to remove the switch and put it back on but without the atty so it will work with the cartos I have that DO work with the E-Power but, again, this atty WILL & DOES WORK WITH THE EGO! It just DOES NOT WORK with the E-Power Unit...

Hope it helps someone





Ummmm.....


You went from a standard resistance 510 atty to a low resistance dual coil and it wont fire?????




Smoketech had alot of problems with their switches on anything below 2 ohms and its all over this forum. Beg borrow or steal a standard resistance something (cart, clearo or atty) and see if if it fires.


I'll bet a 6 pack its the switch not liking low resistance hardware.


they had the same problem on both units (14xxx and 18xxx) and thats why I bought a Joye 18650 instead.
 

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AZ: I hope I am not overstepping my bounds here but many many many years ago, I used to help my birth father on job sites when he was putting in the wiring. I even did most of the upgraded wiring to one of my first apartments I lived in - again many many many years ago before I landed in the land of blindness. Granted, I've forgotten more than most apprentice electricians will ever know, particularly being as how I am petrified of electricity or working on it these days because my vision is almost non-existant plus the added joy of being color blind so I'm no electrician anymore. (the retinal disease, optic nerve damage, and damage due to the 2 - well 3 actually, autoimmune diseases are what caused the color-blindness. Mostly, it's to like colors but there are times when even contrasting colors are giving me problems; however, that is because the retinas or rather the retinas abiltiy to work is dying on me)..

Most people don't understand how electricity works. It's like when the power goes out in your home during a thunderstorm with lightening. The power will flicker on for a few seconds after the lightening strike hits somewhere to knock it out but there are transformers that are still sending that little bit of juice down the line giving each home a few seconds to micro-seconds of juice until the power goes out completely. I think JW50 is lost on the idea as to how the battery's juice works much like electricity when hit by lightening as mentioned above; power is still available in the unit but only a second to micro-second if even that long then it's gone b/c the one place it was stored is out of juice and thus so is the e-cig without a fresh battery or figuring out what is causing the battery issues in the first place.

Does that sound about right? (Again, I haven't worked on a high-rise or even wired my own home in some 35+yrs - Mother used to go ape-..... when she'd show up on occasion on the jobs and find me walking the beams without being on a tie-out safety line. Even the Old Man used to go bonkers over it. I finally just caved & started tying up to the safety, which was a smart thing to do. I was just at home with heights but don't think I'm putting my backside in a 50ft manhole or an air duct; that ain't gonna happen!) :)

Paise

Paise, I agree and no you aren't over stepping thank you. For future reference regarding Li-Ion batteries, the first two numbers indicate the diameter in millimeters and the following numbers are the length. So a 14650 and a 18650 are the same length but the diameter of the two is very different.

Oh and no you won't find me walking along anything higher than a few feet unaided but finding me in an tight enclosed spot is very common.
 
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