E-smoking and sugar/dental health

[PaigeTurner]

So I’m predicting that if e-smoking sticks around for awhile, we’re going to find a common side effect of e-smoking is dental caries.

I can’t really handle sugar in my diet and I’m very sensitive to it. I notice after e-smoking that my teeth feel like I’ve had sugar (more specifically, like I just drank a big glass of sugary soda, something I have not done for years). I can feel sugar gunk up on my teeth and since I don’t have sugar often, my teeth don’t feel like that much. Since e-smoking, however, I have this feeling all the time, been brushing a lot and often, but it keeps happening and if you vape as much as you smoke, and you smoke as much as I used to (2 packs a day)…well, my teeth feel like this pretty much all day, yuck!

Something in the e-liquid is acting like sugar or something similar, does anyone know anything about this? Any diabetics or hypoglycemics notice any problems with e-smoking? Is lactic acid the culprit? Can anyone take a stab at this or share some wisdom?

 

[edisme518123]

There isn't any sugar in our e-liquid, however, both propylene glycol and glycerin act as sweeteners and could possibly stick to your teeth I suppose. I don't think either one has had any background of tooth decay since neither one promotes plaque, actually you might experience better dental health through the use of either one. If you remember, the fluoride in your toothpaste will stick to your teeth as well, and actually acts as a means of blocking plaque buildup. I do know that propylene glycol has been proven to kill certain bacteria in the mouth, plaque might be one of those.

 

[Grenage]

Glycerol breaks down to glucose, what liquids have you tried using?

 

[Kate]

Ed is right, in theory vapour is good for teeth. It is alkaline, bacteria need acid to grow and cause demineralisation. If your mouth is alkaline it means that your teeth are getting a chance to naturally remineralise.

The sweetness isn't the same as sugar and metabolises differently, apparently it's not a problem for diabetics.

 

[edisme518123]

Glycerol breaks down to glucose, what liquids have you tried using?

I forgot about this and Grenage is absolutely right. Any liquid you'll be using will have some sort of concentration of glycerin. You could look into the DIY liquid forum and possibly make some PG-only liquid.

 

[Kate]

It's not glucose until it gets metabolised (by kidneys?).

 

[Grenage]

I do not know, unfortunately. I'd guess that whether or not it gets broken down in the mouth, it would be worth trying some different liquids. I found my glycerol home-brew to be quite sweet in the mouth, but since I have four sugars in my coffee it didn't bother me.

 

[PaigeTurner]

yes, the stuff I am reading is lactic acid and gluconeogenesis, which usually occurs with a large amount of exercise, but if e-smoking causes excess of lactic acid, it's fair to say that's another reason for it.

I don't seem to have any blood sugar reactions to e-smoking, the teeth thing is the only part i've noticed.

From what I understand, lactic acid can ferment and become lactobacillus bacteria, which causes tooth decay. I think this is the same type of "baby bottle caries" seen in infants who fall asleep with a bottle in their mouth. And just an aside, I don't use flouride or buy toothpaste with flouride in it; it's industrial waste and a neurotoxin, but that's another thread for a different forum.

 

[madog]

So I’m predicting that if e-smoking sticks around for awhile, we’re going to find a common side effect of e-smoking is dental caries.

I can’t really handle sugar in my diet and I’m very sensitive to it. I notice after e-smoking that my teeth feel like I’ve had sugar (more specifically, like I just drank a big glass of sugary soda, something I have not done for years). I can feel sugar gunk up on my teeth and since I don’t have sugar often, my teeth don’t feel like that much. Since e-smoking, however, I have this feeling all the time, been brushing a lot and often, but it keeps happening and if you vape as much as you smoke, and you smoke as much as I used to (2 packs a day)…well, my teeth feel like this pretty much all day, yuck!

Something in the e-liquid is acting like sugar or something similar, does anyone know anything about this? Any diabetics or hypoglycemics notice any problems with e-smoking? Is lactic acid the culprit? Can anyone take a stab at this or share some wisdom?

I have be vap'in for over a week now. I am getting the same effect. My teeth are VERY sensitive to sugar. ( they were before vap'in too. ) When I eat sugary stuff they ache to the point of a migraine. Pain subsides after awhile. Brushing helps alittle. But I have noticed some of that same thing. I use to smoke 3-4 packs aday. I had 3 the first day I got my e-cig. One drag the 2nd day (Could not stand the taste of an analog). I had to test the air a day later and was almost repulsed to the point of gastric expulsion. Plus being around other analog smokers second hand smoke is making me feel like I am being hit in the head by a 2x4.

The question is - Is the Vapor causing the sensitivity or the lack of NOT putting a campfire to my lips a 100 plus times a day finally letting the nerves in my mouth come back to life?

 

[Kate]

There's another thread about this that might be helpful here - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on/1348-weird-question-about-e-cig-teeth.html

 

[PaigeTurner]

I do not know, unfortunately. I'd guess that whether or not it gets broken down in the mouth, it would be worth trying some different liquids. I found my glycerol home-brew to be quite sweet in the mouth, but since I have four sugars in my coffee it didn't bother me.

I've tried 3 different "brands" and all do the same. Th sweetness in taste doesn't bother me, it's just the tooth munge that is interesting/concerning. I'm a bit afraid of the VG liquid, I don't think i'll be trying that. And the reason I bring this up is because most people probably would not notice this, because most people have a lot of refined carbs and sugars in their diet. Just because you don't notice it, doesn't mean it's not happening to you. Here's a great example, if you go without sugar and refined carbs for say a week, and then you drink milk, you will notice milk is actually pretty sweet (lactose is a sugar), but if you drink soda and have lots of HFCS and refined flour and things, you wouldn't taste the sweetness in milk.

I wonder if vaping pure PG would be a good test; although i'll put my money on this being a PG thing and not a flavoring/other additive problem. E-liquids are 70-90% PG, right?

 

[Kate]

The problem with sugar is that it creates an acid environment which is bad for teeth. Some other sweeteners such as xylitol are not acids, this includes propylene glycol and glycerine. Our vapour has been tested and proven alkaline by Dr Loi. You may be getting residue on your teeth but that doesn't mean it's harmful.

 

[Denni]

From what I understand, lactic acid can ferment and become lactobacillus bacteria, which causes tooth decay.

The lactobacilli don't spontaneously materialize , but they may multiply in the presence of those metabolites.

I have bad teeth anyway and haven't noticed them getting any worse with e-cigs, despite the fact that I don't like to eat sweet things.