Well - in fact analyzing it wouldn't be very easy. In my opinion it should be the manufacturer's duty to provide us with the chemical composition of the stuff. The composition presented earlier in this thread worries me.
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even if the manufacture did Im not sure after the language barriers, that I would completely trust it. I am considering buying a batch to spread around the community to see how it fairs and what observation people have about how to use it.
Doesn't that raise certain moral questions?
I'm not saying that this product is unsafe. But I'm sure as heck Not Saying That It Is. The long list of Chemicals, which we don't even know if this is a correct list, is troubling.
If a person, on their own accord, seeks out a vaping product and it proves to be a health hazard, well, perhaps that is a good argument for the need of some form of regulation.
But to me, it is a completely different issue if someone hands out a unknown product to people and that product turns out to harm them.
Many people are ignorant (or is the word arrogant?) to potential health risks. Sometimes the restraining factor in trying an unproven product is money. Or should I say, their hesitance to spend money on an unproven product.
But give it away Free and you would be truly amazed at what people will do and or put in their bodies.
I hope you give careful consideration what ever you decide to do with this product both for yourself, but also for other, less informed people.
Couldn't agree more! I really don't underdstand why some people (adult, I suppose) are acting that way.
For me the supplier should provide customers with a list of ingredients - ie chemical composition of the product. It might be an MSDS card or something similar. We should know what we are inhaling. It's the matter of our health. Some people could have strong allergies towards some certain chemicals. And allergic reactions could be very strong.
There would be nothing worse than someone dying after using some weird mixture. Then FDA (and similar national institutions) would have a very strong argument. Don't let them have it.
Nah... you should try some of my own mixtures. Both taste and throat hit are very good. The same applies to some e-liquids sold here.You just described a majority of the e-cig stuff
I just don't understand how you would fill a cartidge, drip or use cartomizer with gel.
I make my own..I know what is in it....I know what has "been studied" about it... and how this use is an "unknown"....
The only vendor I buy from (the few liquids that I do buy) makes them the way I would ...
The only vendor I buy from (the few liquids that I do buy) makes them the way I would ...
This is the part that is puzzling...
By the OP own review and posts, this gel doesn't work. So we have a product that doesn't work and that is Chucked Full of Chemicals.
I'm unsure of what the motivation or concept here is?
Dang CW. Every time I see you have another new avatar. Talk about a 180. From a serene, 17th century oil painting to what looks like Michael Jackson with a knife. LOL.
WOW, I really need to clarify better, I am sorry. I have an ingredients list from the manufacture
No Ingredients CAS no.
1 Tobacco flavor 2021-28-5
2 Tobacco ketone 57696-82-9
3 PEG 25322-68-3
4 PG 85148-82-9
5 Glycerin 56-81-5
6 Sodium alginate 9005-38-3
7 HA 9067-32-7
8 Aspartate 56-84-8
9 Enzyme 8049-47-6
10 Xanthan gum 11138-66-26
11 Chamomile Oil 8015-92-7
12 CPP 117414-74-1
13 CMC 900011-7
This dosnt make me completely comfortable. I have vaped it, I personally purchased it, not knowing 100% what it was, but I wanted to try it and see what I could find out. I am looking into US lab testing but Im not a vendor, supplier, retailer, or manufacturer. I tested some of this out and want to know more. I did not plan on haphazardly passing this out to individuals, I was more so trying to get a feel of any one like myself that were wanting to get their hands on some to possibly discern the composition of it. I in no way claim this is safe, I would like to find out how to get it tested and I do not have the resources to do so. If a vendor or private user would have those resources I would be more than happy to help them procure some. I have been talking to the manufacturer for a while and they claim V4L is supposed to be making a factory visit in the coming weeks, maybe this will turn up some results, but if they plan on selling it I doubt they will be willing to post their findings until they are ready to go to market with it. I doubt they would be forth coming with any info that would encourage another vendor to do the same until they have a deal in place. I am sorry to cause such a commotion over this, I am just trying to find out as much as I can with out having to wait on a major vendor to step in and clear it up for us. again I am sorry for not clarifying better.
No Ingredients CAS no.
1 Tobacco flavor 2021-28-5
2 Tobacco ketone 57696-82-9
3 PEG 25322-68-3
4 PG 85148-82-9
5 Glycerin 56-81-5
6 Sodium alginate 9005-38-3
7 HA 9067-32-7
8 Aspartate 56-84-8
9 Enzyme 8049-47-6
10 Xanthan gum 11138-66-26
11 Chamomile Oil 8015-92-7
12 CPP 117414-74-1
13 CMC 900011-7
This dosnt make me completely comfortable. I have vaped it, I personally purchased it, not knowing 100% what it was, but I wanted to try it and see what I could find out. I am looking into US lab testing but Im not a vendor, supplier, retailer, or manufacturer. I tested some of this out and want to know more. I did not plan on haphazardly passing this out to individuals, I was more so trying to get a feel of any one like myself that were wanting to get their hands on some to possibly discern the composition of it. I in no way claim this is safe, I would like to find out how to get it tested and I do not have the resources to do so. If a vendor or private user would have those resources I would be more than happy to help them procure some. I have been talking to the manufacturer for a while and they claim V4L is supposed to be making a factory visit in the coming weeks, maybe this will turn up some results, but if they plan on selling it I doubt they will be willing to post their findings until they are ready to go to market with it. I doubt they would be forth coming with any info that would encourage another vendor to do the same until they have a deal in place. I am sorry to cause such a commotion over this, I am just trying to find out as much as I can with out having to wait on a major vendor to step in and clear it up for us. again I am sorry for not clarifying better.
It looks like this product has "fallen by the wayside" anyway.....I haven't seen anyone offering it for sale........ and this thread was from January.....
OK, so once again - ingredient #12
Before using it I'd suggest studying this MSDS
Pay special attention to #15 and to the notice in grey letters:
"For research use only. Not for human use".
Who would like to be a guinea pig? And who is doing this research?
Before using it I'd suggest studying this MSDS
Pay special attention to #15 and to the notice in grey letters:
"For research use only. Not for human use".
Who would like to be a guinea pig? And who is doing this research?
Scared? Well not too much. But then again I had all the lights on.
Distribution of this product for Independent testing would be an Very reasonable thing to do. Are you perhaps interested in selling this product?
Im not sure about the rest of you but I dont like seeing things like this on something I would consider putting in my lungs.
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9. FIRST-AID MEASURES
In cases of SKIN CONTACT: Wash with copious amounts of water for at
least 15 minutes. Remove contaminated clothing and shoes and wash before
wearing. In case of eye contact, flush with copious amounts of water for at
least 15 minutes.
In cases of INHALATION: Remove to fresh air and monitor breathing. If
breathing becomes difficult, give oxygen. If breathing stops, give artificial
respiration.
In cases of INGESTION: If swallowed, rinse mouth out with water, contact
local poison centre and call a physician.
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As if that is bad enough, there is something Deeply Disturbing about a Chemical Compound that has a MSDS with a legal disclaimer stating;
Caution: Not Fully Tested. For Research Use Only. Not For Human Use.
I think that part about "Not For Human Use." is what turns me off so much.
BTW – Is Ingredient #12 also known as “Midafotel” ?
E solid--e-liquid,essential ,electronic cigarette oil,Ginger oil,Magnolol,Honokiol-- Ruyan Bioscience International Co., Ltd
Midafotel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Midafotel : Definition, Facts, Comments
If it is, what purpose does it serve in e-Gel?
E solid--e-liquid,essential ,electronic cigarette oil,Ginger oil,Magnolol,Honokiol-- Ruyan Bioscience International Co., Ltd
Midafotel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Midafotel : Definition, Facts, Comments
If it is, what purpose does it serve in e-Gel?
Yes, zoiDman - that's exactly the same compound. What purpose? I have no idea... Maybe to block photosensitive epilepsy in baboons? Wait... that's not the case, we're not baboons, right?
Then I still have no idea...
Then I still have no idea...
Yes, zoiDman - that's exactly the same compound. What purpose? I have no idea... Maybe to block photosensitive epilepsy in baboons? Wait... that's not the case, we're not baboons, right?
Then I still have no idea...
What a Wonderful age we live in.
E-Juice specially formulated for Photosensitive Epileptic Vaping Baboons (PEVB). And if for some reason your not a PEVB, well, they throw it in for free.
I wonder if Baboons prefer Cartomizers over Carts/Atomizers?
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