E-Vapor contains metal substance?

[Smok-ey]

I have been approached by a director stating that Vapor contains metal particles that could be harmful to others...I am using a VG based e-liquid at 18mg. Would anyone have this information as a fact?

I have been given the ok to vapor at my work but now they "think" it may contain metal substance and would need information on this.

Thank you so much.

smok-ey

 

[SoftSell]

I may be wrong, and can't cite my sources..... But, with that being said look online: I believe that is strictly from the coils when dry burned, and of course no one wants to vape that. I have read studies on this, and the particles mentioned are only produced during high heat, no liquid, and long durations of time.
Again, I'd be a terrible lawyer, but the info is out there.

 

[Harlen]

I may be wrong, and can't cite my sources..... But, with that being said look online: I believe that is strictly from the coils when dry burned, and of course no one wants to vape that. I have read studies on this, and the particles mentioned are only produced during high heat, no liquid, and long durations of time.
Again, I'd be a terrible lawyer, but the info is out there.

Seams right to me too
I make (mix) my own juice and I know what I put in it .

 

[retired1]

There were a couple of faulty studies done in an environment that didn't mimic vaping at all, and came to those horrid conclusions. If you want some valid studies, look no further than here: Learn About Electronic Cigarettes

 

[vincom]

we live in a world where metal is everywhere
heating elements are also everywhere, toasters, ovens
i dont understand why someone would bring that up unless theyre talking about heavy metals.
if using pharma grade ingredients then there wouldnt/shouldnt be any but im not sure heavy metals would be evaporated into the vape cloud

 

[Rickajho]

(Where do they come up with this crap?) Sigh... If what we were doing could actually vaporize metals - that would really, REALLY hurt.

Unfortunately, if you are up against a personnel department that only relies on "Somebody else told me they read it on the internet so it must be true..." then you are screwed. If you think they can actually be swayed by - I dunno - some facts go to the CASAA library and give them some printouts. =>

CASAA Printable Material
Learn About Electronic Cigarettes

 

[twgbonehead]

That is probably based on totally garbage coverage of a study done comparing e-cigarette vapor to cigarette smoke.
What wasn't mentioned was that the levels of these metals were HIGHER in the outside air than in the e-cigarette vapor.
And also that the amounts were miniscule. Comparing two things and saying "thing A has more than thing B" is meaningless if neither of them have any appreciable amount.

Check out this thread; has the article and the raw data from the study (scroll up)

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...rettes-toxic-metals-exposed.html#post14025855

 

[Zurd]

I have been approached by a director stating that Vapor contains metal particles that could be harmful to others...I am using a VG based e-liquid at 18mg. Would anyone have this information as a fact?

Ask him for the study that was done proving this. Don't waste your time trying to prove anything, he's the one who made a statement, let him back it up.

 

[Tom Fuller]

Almost all food color is made with some type of metal oxide. The dry burn environment releases those heavy metals from the coil under high heat as they were not smelted together but accumulated in a slag pile. The other thing to remember is salt is a metal. Even ejuice with no food color has salts. So yes in many ways there are metals present.

I think furthering your cause would be better served by studies on dispersion. Our vapor dissipates super fast. The parts per billion is already very small (metals) in the liquid concentrate. The dissipated vapor would multiply exponential decrees in parts per billion on exhale.

Good Luck


Live Long and Vape!

 

[Smok-ey]

Thank you so much for this information... I will start my searches to be able to provide information to people rather than just give false rumours. HAHAHA love that method from Zurd.. Will do this for sure.

Good links and good info guys

 

[Smok-ey]

Additional Information... Double post but this could be important information...

Reply from source: Here is additional information when I tried to go a little further in my steps...

___________________________________________________________


First off, yes, if management has advised the member to cease using the e-cigarette in the office, he should definitely comply.

Even though Health Canada may have no recommendations and even if there are no by-laws prohibiting their use in public spaces, I have heard reports of e-cigarettes being banned in certain buildings on the basis that the entirety of their substance is not been determined to be harmless. If there is still question as to the health hazards of the vapour and it is for this reason that the Employer is prohibiting their use in the building, it is quite possible that this would be considered reasonable. It looks as though governments will be analyzing and potentially moving toward regulation of e-cigarettes in the near future (see, for instance: WHO | Backgrounder on WHO report on regulation of e-cigarettes and similar products).

In fact, I spoke about this issue with my colleague who sits (on behalf of _______) on the National Joint Council's (NJC) Occupational Health and Safety (OHS) Committee. This committee is working on a communique to go out to all TBS employers. They will apparently be directed to include e-cigarettes under the no-smoking policy. This direction would be based on Canada Labour Code Part II regulations given that the e-cigarettes contain potentially harmful chemicals.
___________________________________________________________

Any comments?

I am looking to provide them with a formal letter to provide me the evidence of harmful substance list vs. air quality in the building. That could raise more issues but I am not here to start a war, just to be educated and to be within my rights as a Canadian.

 

[Steamix]

Take a peek into your toaster while its doing what it's supposed to do...

Lo and behold - thick strands of wire ( most likely kanthal or Ni-Chrome ) glowing bright red. Pour a bottle of liquid and you can have a family vape....

But if you're worried,,,feel free to run a magnet over your slices of toast...

 

[David1975]

The article being sited here was one where a lab found tin, when they spun the vapor produce in a centrifuge.
There is an element of truth in this, however it is not true of all devices. Anyone using a carto or other such device is at higher risk, those using kanthal to make their own are a little/no risk.
The problem, or reason this is true with carto type devices is due the solder holding the coil wire to the positive terminal of the 510, and yes, I have opened several up and it is solder..... a weld wont melt with a lighter, solder will, so try it on yours.
That said, solder has a liquid heat range(flowing), and a venting heat range. Most solder starts to melt at about 180 C. So, as solder contains tin, and starts to melt a 180 C "venting" or "off-gasing" temperature is below 180 C..... I could not however, find a definitive answer on temperature for this.
The conditions for this will vary depending on how high you power level, and how dry you let the device get before refilling.... less juice=more heat. IDK if it could happen under "normal" use or not.... but it's VERY plausible, and why I wont use cartos and the like.

 

[retired1]

Additional Information... Double post but this could be important information...

Reply from source: Here is additional information when I tried to go a little further in my steps...

___________________________________________________________


First off, yes, if management has advised the member to cease using the e-cigarette in the office, he should definitely comply.

Even though Health Canada may have no recommendations and even if there are no by-laws prohibiting their use in public spaces, I have heard reports of e-cigarettes being banned in certain buildings on the basis that the entirety of their substance is not been determined to be harmless. If there is still question as to the health hazards of the vapour and it is for this reason that the Employer is prohibiting their use in the building, it is quite possible that this would be considered reasonable. It looks as though governments will be analyzing and potentially moving toward regulation of e-cigarettes in the near future (see, for instance: WHO | Backgrounder on WHO report on regulation of e-cigarettes and similar products).

In fact, I spoke about this issue with my colleague who sits (on behalf of _______) on the National Joint Council's (NJC) Occupational Health and Safety (OHS) Committee. This committee is working on a communique to go out to all TBS employers. They will apparently be directed to include e-cigarettes under the no-smoking policy. This direction would be based on Canada Labour Code Part II regulations given that the e-cigarettes contain potentially harmful chemicals.
___________________________________________________________

Any comments?

I am looking to provide them with a formal letter to provide me the evidence of harmful substance list vs. air quality in the building. That could raise more issues but I am not here to start a war, just to be educated and to be within my rights as a Canadian.

You may want to read up on a fight that was already waged here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ry-labour-called-upon-ruling-unsafe-work.html

Part two starts here: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ry-labour-called-upon-ruling-unsafe-work.html

Oh, and please don't double post.

 

[Zurd]

I am looking to provide them with a formal letter to provide me the evidence of harmful substance list vs. air quality in the building. That could raise more issues but I am not here to start a war, just to be educated and to be within my rights as a Canadian.

That could be interesting but I personally wouldn't waste my time with this. It's their building, they decide what happens inside. If they don't want anyone vaping, then you don't vape. It doesn't mean that because it's harmless that it should be allowed. Having music played at a high volume is harmless but you don't see it in any office

 

[Smok-ey]

Yes but I find it a little contradicting when you are facing with something less harm full than the monitor screen or the laptop batteries omitting more pollution and or danger, people wearing perfumes at work and that doesn’t care about rules and regulations out there. I mean vaping is not more harmful then a co-worker eating fish for lunch at his/her desk or to see someone couching from a cold.

They have found just enough level of asbestos in this building but it not considered high threat... I mean there is much corrosive and dangerous “lethal” compound or in the workplace air and nothing is done about this...

But yet you have people arguing about something they don’t even have facts on. And rely on something they have heard on the news with no efficient evidence to use as facts. Yet a person complains.

I know I will never win this fight but at lease I am trying...baby step I guess.

PS: I wear headphone and listen to music... lol there is always a solution. I should vape and exhale in a brown paper bag lol

 

[David1975]

What I find the saddest about this "war" some have waged on e-cigs, is the way it's being argued. "We must ban them because they are not proven safe", this is the argument. Now lets compare this to GMO food... "There is no proof it is unsafe". So, which is it? Do we ban things till proven safe, or use them till proven unsafe?

 

[Smok-ey]

Going at war gun blazing but at what cost. I could argue that electronic devices omit more or less above average substance in indoor air, that the ventilation is poor and some information should be release on air quality. That we are still working with Fluorescent lamp.

I am only one soldier going at war with people with less than no information and when I try to provide them accurate info, they turn around and treat me like I am as dumb as a rock.

Someone mentioned “It’s their building they can do what they want” well that is little contradicting when I work in an environment more polluted with substance that should not be tolerated and nothing is done on these issues.

The toasters on each floor could be a potential threat, or my monitor screen and wifi. Do we stop at the less important stuff that we all know that the danger is slim to none but when we go outside work; Car pollution, that big building that I see with black smoke coming out of it, what do we do about this? My Vapor’ing is not less dangerous than someone coming to work sick, actually my vapor is safer then that sick person.

I am trying to make a difference like all of you but I am naked and powerless with this entire bureaucratic BS.

I say to myself, at lease I’m trying to make a difference.