ECF Veteran Modders : Ask The Vets - Answers needs your expertise !

[classwife]

Dear ECF Veterans;

Ask The Vets - Answers frequently needs technical info and guidance :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/ask-vets-answers/


( An ECF Veteran has been a member for 365 days and has more than 70 posts - you will know if you are a Veteran as it will say so in your User Titles under your avatar)
...if you are not an ECF Veteran, you can't see the forum yet - sorry


Today help is needed to repair a spinner :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...on-spinner-detached-wire-where-reconnect.html

 

[mamu]

ECF does not approve or condone the use of mods or the practice of modding or the following of instructions here by any person.

Are you as a moderator of ECF then approving or condoning by asking for a modder's assistance to help someone mod their device to get it working again?

Seems that way.

 

[Uno mas]

Actually I believe what's being asked is if some of our most experienced would be willin' to help out some of our newer and lesser experienced members.... I believe Veteran Modders fall into that category

 

[j0ker]

Are you as a moderator of ECF then approving or condoning by asking for a modder's assistance to help someone mod their device to get it working again?

Seems that way.

The text says "repair". I don't see anything in the post nor the thread that mentions anything about performing a modification to the device. As you probably know a "mod" is a ecig that has been modified or a non-ecig device converted into an ecig.

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[mamu]

Actually I believe what's being asked is if some of our most experienced would be willin' to help out some of our newer and lesser experienced members.... I believe Veteran Modders fall into that category

Specifically, in addition for a modder being a Vet as you say in your post, what is being asked is for a modder's assistance to help another make repairs (i.e., mod, modify) their device.

The text says "repair". I don't see anything in the post nor the thread that mentions anything about performing a modification to the device.

You don't see repairs as modding or making a modification to the device to get it working again?

As you probably know a "mod" is a ecig that has been modified or a non-ecig device converted into an ecig.

That's a pretty narrow view of what a mod is as it seems you're saying a mod is just a battery only device. Just an ecig modified or non-ecig converted device? Seems there are, in addition to Battery Mods, Atomizer Mods, Tank Mods, and Cosmetic Mods in this very own forum. The full meaning of the abbreviated form for mod is modification, not just a mod as a battery operated device.

Look, I'm not trying to create waves or cause a hassle. But if you want to defend the Disclaimer here in the modding forum, and you should since you are a moderator that should follow ECF policies and statements, and defend it even to the point where the Disclaimer says "only double-protected rechargeable batteries must be used" (are you recommending that to members?) and that the stance of ECF in that it does not approve or condone the use of mods or the practice of modding (btw, that statement covers a LOT of territory when it comes to modding and making modifications (and that includes altering or repairing) to anything ecig related), then it seems somewhat off for a moderator to come into the modding forum and ask a modder (veteran modder member) for help in assisting another in making a modification to their device. If ECF does not approve or condone, shouldn't moderators also follow that policy? It seems this is sending a mixed message to what the Disclaimer says.

It's obvious that ECF does not approve or condone mods (battery mods, atomizer mods, tank mods, cosmetic mods) or the practice of modding as stated in the Disclaimer, but it allows it in this forum. All that is just strange and sends a double wink wink message. Do you allow things to occur that you do not approve or condone of in your home? Know what I mean?

So... is that Disclaimer being revised, or not?

 

[bapgood]

I agree with mamu 100%

The disclaimer is obviously outdated and ignored by most ECF members and moderators both.

The post this thread directs a veteran to help with asks a veteran to help someone who obviously and admittedly does not have the knowledge, skills, or tools to make a basic repair that requires them to disassemble the mod and solder a wire. Encouraging them to push through and try the repair on their own seems fairly unsafe and directly in conflict with the disclaimer.

 

[rolygate]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

The disclaimer will be rewritten, it is clearly out of date.

 

[classwife]

Thank you for getting to this so quickly Roly !

 

[mamu]

Yes - thank you thank you Rolygate! Totally made my day to hear this.

I don't presume to advice you how the Disclaimer should be revised, but I feel, in addition to the outdated and misinforming statements being revised, that the statement "ECF does not approve or condone mods or the practice of modding" should be re-thought and left out of the revised Disclaimer.

I understand it's supposed to be CYA stuff, but it is meaningless legal wise. There is a modding forum here and mods and the practice of modding is allowed here and actually encouraged. Not approved or condoned? I just don't see it. So that statement sends a mixed message, is not followed, and just doesn't make sense.

Additionally, if you would make the Disclaimer a sticky thread in every sub of the modding forum, people like me wouldn't come back years later and say we didn't know or had forgot it was there. As is, once it's clicked off it disappears forever unless you happen to be viewing the modding forum while logged out. Many of us never log out. I hadn't seen that Disclaimer in over 4 years and truly didn't remember it ever being there and especially what it said until it was brought to my attention recently.

 

[rolygate]

Well, as you say, it needs fixing. Times change.

I just started back here a week ago so give me some time to fix stuff. Like you say, that disclaimer can't be seen under a lot of circumstances.

Things are different now, and people aren't building series Li-ion cell sealed tubes running at 8 volts. We hope.

 

[rolygate]

OK it's done. I changed it to a persistent but small Notice, linked to a sticky that is designed to assist people. Of course ECF supports modding, only we should probably try to help people new to workshop tasks and not make things harder.

After nearly 50 years of engineering it's obvious that things go wrong sometimes and the best way is to try and plan for that, and help people who may not realise they can get hurt. Like we say, the person who never made a mistake never made anything. Plan for 'accidents', don't act as if they will never happen.

 

[classwife]

Thank you Roly, much appreciated !

 

[mamu]

Perfect! Thank you Rolygate!

 

[BobC]

IT'S ABOUT TIME! Happy New Year all