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fiveshot_leo

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I quit smoking cigarettes after smoking for 12 years. I have been off of cigarettes for about 1 month, and been vaping 2 weeks. Before vaping, my breathing capability while running had significantly increased. Due to both quitting smoking and running daily, the time it took for me to be out of breath while running had increased. So right after quitting smoke, I'd be out of breath in about 30 seconds, then about a week later, 2 min... after a month later, I was running 15 min without being out of breath.

After this month of daily morning runs, I craved cigarettes so much so I ended up getting the Joye Ego (Tornado) , and been smoking just pure VG + water only, no flavor... I just smoked flavorless VG + water because I mostly craved the action of smoking. I did not put any flavor because I just wanted the bare minimum possible. I did not want to be hooked on anything new.

And now it seems I can not breath as well as before. The time it took for me to be out of breath has been decreasing steadily for 2 weeks now in miniscule amounts. So, I am slightly worried and perhaps thinking of tossing the ecig...

Does anyone know if vaping VG + water only can cause to harm my oxigen intake capabilities? I have not changed my diet (eating super healthy + dieting) or sleeping schedule, but my running time has been steadily going the opposite way from before! If you know anything about VG vaping causing harm to lungs or oxigen intake... please please please let me know!
 

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It could be too much water maybe, unless your a chain vaper I can't see VG causing an issue with oxygen intake, maybe you should check with your doctor and see if there's anything else giving you breathing issues like allergies or hayfever. Has there been any plants come out in flower recently on your jogging route?
 

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btw, I was an over weight chain smoker, and after 1 month + 2 weeks, I have lost 17 lbs (I measure myself 10 times a day, at specific times and average out... I think im too paranoid). I was deathly afraid that quitting smoking will make me gain weight, so I started exercising and dieting... hence actually losing weight instead of gaining.

So the whole... me losing oxygen intake capability slowly by vaping.. is not really a big deal. As it clearly isn't as bad a cigarettes, and it helps me stay away from cigs... My concerns are the long term affects. So, if anyone knows of long term effects of vaping VG + water only, please let me know.
 

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hi VPDownunder. Could vaping too much water lower your oxygen intake???

I can't check with my doctor as I do not have health insurance anymore, because I recently got laid off. And I am using this time to purely dedicating myself to be better. Eating healthy, exercising, quitting smoking.

it is possible that allergies are causing it. It is also possible that I have hit my plateau of running (highly doubtful though, since practicing running should only make me run longer). It could be tons of factors like... the water source of mine has changed without me knowing. But since vaping VG + water was the only significant and conscious change I've made, I am assuming this might be causing it more than other factors.

does anyone in this forum, run daily and have seen changes in breathing? Anyone??
 

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Well you are inhaling water vapor into your lungs, that's fine in small amounts but can lead to problems in larger amounts, it's like being locked in a steam room for too long,you start to have breathing difficulties and it's not just because of the heat.
When I hear about the health system you have over there it makes me glad I live in Aus where anyone unemployed or on a pension gets free or near free medical care.
 

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btw, I was an over weight chain smoker, and after 1 month + 2 weeks, I have lost 17 lbs (I measure myself 10 times a day, at specific times and average out... I think im too paranoid). I was deathly afraid that quitting smoking will make me gain weight, so I started exercising and dieting... hence actually losing weight instead of gaining.

So the whole... me losing oxygen intake capability slowly by vaping.. is not really a big deal. As it clearly isn't as bad a cigarettes, and it helps me stay away from cigs... My concerns are the long term affects. So, if anyone knows of long term effects of vaping VG + water only, please let me know.

Here's a thorough explanation of weight gain after ceasing nicotine use Joel's Library - Minimizing the Weight Gained

In short, nicotine in cigarettes releases your bodies store of sugars into your blood within seconds. So it's an appetite suppressant. After you cease use your body has to learn how to regulate blood sugar on its own.

I believe that it may temporarily throw ones metabolism off, as well.

Nothing to be deathly afraid of once we know how and why certain things happen.

As for the breathing issues, maybe you are overdoing the glycerin... ?? I've never used it or seen it in its pure form, but isn't it somewhat oily??
 

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Make sure that your VG is clearly marked USP and that you are ONLY using distilled water. After smoking for 40+ years and smoke free (vaping) for 7 months I have to admit that I am disappointed with how little my breathing has improved but I guess an improvement is a start


Even if you don't get anything back... you still have one thing FOR SURE.. you won't LOSE any more ;)
 

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I quit smoking cigarettes after smoking for 12 years. I have been off of cigarettes for about 1 month, and been vaping 2 weeks. Before vaping, my breathing capability while running had significantly increased. Due to both quitting smoking and running daily, the time it took for me to be out of breath while running had increased. So right after quitting smoke, I'd be out of breath in about 30 seconds, then about a week later, 2 min... after a month later, I was running 15 min without being out of breath.

After this month of daily morning runs, I craved cigarettes so much so I ended up getting the Joye Ego (Tornado) , and been smoking just pure VG + water only, no flavor... I just smoked flavorless VG + water because I mostly craved the action of smoking. I did not put any flavor because I just wanted the bare minimum possible. I did not want to be hooked on anything new.

And now it seems I can not breath as well as before. The time it took for me to be out of breath has been decreasing steadily for 2 weeks now in miniscule amounts. So, I am slightly worried and perhaps thinking of tossing the ecig...

Does anyone know if vaping VG + water only can cause to harm my oxigen intake capabilities? I have not changed my diet (eating super healthy + dieting) or sleeping schedule, but my running time has been steadily going the opposite way from before! If you know anything about VG vaping causing harm to lungs or oxigen intake... please please please let me know!

No direct experience.

However my breathing is markedly better. I used to wheeze and cough when going to sleep- that is gone. I also don't cough while I'm sleeping anymore.

And as revealing and inappropriate as the following is:

I had my first session of "Erotic Aerobics" since coming off the cigarettes (an hour ago)- and without going into details let me say it was like going back a whoooole lot of years. I was actually dizzy from being able to breath.

However....

Perhaps try not vaping an hour before you run and see how that goes?

Also, VG and PG are humectants- which drys things out. Consider upping water intake?

I am not a medical professional. As always... see your doctor if you view this as serious.
 

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No direct experience.

However my breathing is markedly better. I used to wheeze and cough when going to sleep- that is gone. I also don't cough while I'm sleeping anymore.

And as revealing and inappropriate as the following is:

I had my first session of "Erotic Aerobics" since coming off the cigarettes (an hour ago)- and without going into details let me say it was like going back a whoooole lot of years. I was actually dizzy from being able to breath.

However....

Perhaps try not vaping an hour before you run and see how that goes?

Also, VG and PG are humectants- which drys things out. Consider upping water intake?

I am not a medical professional. As always... see your doctor if you view this as serious.


Proper breathing and BEING ABLE TO BREATHE will do just absolute wonders for... "stamina" and "satisfaction" :D
 

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I have heard of more reactions of this type to various brands of VG than to PG.

PG is entirely synthetic and far less likely to cause allergic reactions such as those to certain vegetable compounds, though intolerance is more likely. The grade is important since only pharma grade can be inhaled, others will have higher levels of contaminants, be they innocuous or not.

Both PG and VG are made in 4 grades:
  • Industrial grade
  • Agricultural grade
  • Food grade
  • Pharmaceutical grade

Food Grade PG or VG is NOT suitable for inhalation. Only PHARMA grade should be inhaled.

With PG, which is always 'synthetic' (it has no animal or vegetable sources), the only issue is that of contamination, i.e. if you are going to inhale it, you MUST ONLY use the pharma grade. It is the purest grade and the only one suitable for human use by inhalation or injection. Its uses are typically as the excipient in nebulizers for lung transplant patients, asthma inhalers, and the diluent for injectable medicines such as diazepam that are immiscible (don't mix with water).

In the case of glycerine, in the past we tended to prefer VG, vegetable glycerine, because it was often the only decent type available - others came from unsuitable sources or may have contained more contaminants. This is no longer the case and the only glycerine that should be used is pharma grade glycerine, which is usually synthetic.

Glycerine has numerous sources, such as:
  • Animal carcases
  • Vegetable sources such as palm oil and coconut oil
  • Biodiesel manufacture byproduct
  • Synthetic production (as used for pharma grade)
As the vegetable sources were preferable to animal source or biodiesel byproduct, people used to advise the use of VG, vegetable glycerine. This acronym is still used but the product advised is certainly no longer the same. Only PHARMA GRADE glycerine should be inhaled, and this is commonly synthetic.

In fact this product is now advised for use in all inhalable medicines in preference to PG. PG is still used for some applications because it is such a powerful bactericide and virucide, so that certain classes of patients would benefit from this choice. It may be combined with glycerine. For long-term use, there has been a move toward use of glycerine as being preferable. For example Dow Chemical manufacture and supply all grades of both these products, and the one they advise for inhalation duty is their synthetic pharma grade glycerine called Optim. See:
OPTIM - The OPTIM Advantage | The Dow Chemical Company
OPTIM - The OPTIM Advantage | The Dow Chemical Company

So for the original poster I would present these points of interest:

1. Change your brand of product immediately you experience any abnormal symptoms. Restriction of breathing is exactly the opposite of what you can expect from using an e-cigarette as opposed to smoking tobacco. All persons who have fully explored all options have found a suitable product that has no implications whatsoever for lung function or any other aspect of health - there is absolutely no need to accept an imperfect solution.

2. It is simply impossible for all individuals to tolerate all products without issue. At present we have to employ trial and error to find the optimal solution, for ourselves. Some individuals will do best on PG, some on VG. With VG in particular there is a very great variation between brands and ONLY pharma grade must be inhaled. In addition, since some pharma grades will come from vegetable sources, if intolerance is experienced then other brands should be tried. There is a product that will suit you.

3. The glycerine used must be pharma grade, and a synthetic type is advised as it is likely to be the purest. Only distilled water should be added, not tap water, to make the glycerine less viscous if necessary.

4. If you cannot find acceptable sources of glycerine-based e-cigarette refill liquids by trial, then obtain a known acceptable brand such as Ecopure from Intellicig UK (which is 100% glycerine based), or the VG-based refills from Decadent Vapours (available in the US from Liberty Flights). We know these use pharma grade glycerine for inhalable medicines.

5. Many individuals can tolerate a wide range of products, but some cannot. As an example we have found a factor-10 difference in the individual tolerance to nicotine: some will find that what is perfect for another person may be up to ten times too strong or too weak for them. Such individual variation in tolerance to consumables means that a degree of experimentation is needed - and this would be true even in a perfect world where only the purest ingredients were used by all vendors. There is absolutely no need to put up with, for example, reduced lung function, since this is the opposite of normal experience - as you can see from the other posts in this thread.

6. Ex-smokers can still develop conditions related to smoking, after some time has elapsed since cessation. You can quit smoking and develop lung cancer some years later. For this reason it is advisable to consult a doctor if any unusual symptoms are experienced.
 
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