ECOpure Clean & Green

[Shining Wit]

Intellicig are pleased to announce that they are still experiencing a phenomenal rate of growth as demand for their Electronic Cigarettes continues to increase across the globe.This is in spite of press releases by the FDA, the US Government Agency charged with overseeing Food & Drug Administration. The FDA analysed a number of refill cartridge samples that had been imported into the US from China and found that one out of nineteen samples contained minute traces of diethylene glycol and nitrosamines. However small the amount, it is of concern and will hopefully result in the FDA and other government bodies worldwide conducting more thorough studies in order to be able to set proper standards for manufacturers and suppliers of electronic cigarettes and e-liquids. Intellicig continue to be the industry leader and have invested heavily in producing their very own ‘e-liquid’ right here in the UK, the only company currently doing so. Their ECOpure range contains none of the substances that have given cause for concern and is based on ingredients that have all been tested at over 99% purity by a University Laboratory. ECOpure is proving extremely popular as both suppliers and end users show their confidence in a UK made product which is subject to stringent quality control. Intellicig are now the main UK manufacturer and supplier exporting to over 20 countries and with Intellicig branded websites throughout the world.

 

[Mufftrix]

While this is very reassuring, are your ingredients sourced from the UK or just mixed/made in UK?

Is each and every ingredient tested by a labratory, on every batch you produce, or the finished liquid tested everytime?

Only wondering, as otherwise a one time test on a sample of your ingredients does not conclusively prove your ingredients are always 99% pure surely?

 

[Linthorn]

I absolutely love the EcoPure, but the FDA found DEG at about the 1% level. If the University only validated to 99% then it doesn't say it is any better than the Chinese.

I'm inclined to think that DEG can get mixed into PG much easier than VG, but what about the other carcinogens they found? Can you stand up to that scrutiny? I hope so, because if the FDA takes away my EcoPure Rich I might go insane.

 

[Linthorn]

While this is very reassuring, are your ingredients sourced from the UK or just mixed/made in UK?

Is each and every ingredient tested by a labratory, on every batch you produce, or the finished liquid tested everytime?

Only wondering, as otherwise a one time test on a sample of your ingredients does not conclusively prove your ingredients are always 99% pure surely?

Intellicig is going for ISO certification. This certification will ensure that the processes are followed and support the 99%. Can you ensure that any food product or medicine is "conclusively proven" to be pure? No, can't ever do that.

 

[Shining Wit]

While this is very reassuring, are your ingredients sourced from the UK or just mixed/made in UK?

Is each and every ingredient tested by a labratory, on every batch you produce, or the finished liquid tested everytime?

Only wondering, as otherwise a one time test on a sample of your ingredients does not conclusively prove your ingredients are always 99% pure surely?

The ingredients are sourced from certified UK suppliers who would be out of business if their products were found wanting.
This is why we buy from only reputable companies as there should be no need to test every single batch.
I have drunk gallons of Buxton Spring Water in my time but never questioned whether it really does come from a spring or if it is pure.
Walking down the street and breathing the exhaust fumes is likely to pose a greater risk of danger from cancer causing chemicals. We have no doubt as to the purity and quality control of ECOpure which is the result of months of intensive research and hard work.
John.

 

[Shining Wit]

I absolutely love the EcoPure, but the FDA found DEG at about the 1% level. If the University only validated to 99% then it doesn't say it is any better than the Chinese.

I'm inclined to think that DEG can get mixed into PG much easier than VG,
Why are you inclined to think that?
but what about the other carcinogens they found? Can you stand up to that scrutiny? I hope so, because if the FDA takes away my EcoPure Rich I might go insane.
Do a little research on tobacco-specific Nitrosamines and see what you find. I spent hours and am happy with what I found.[/quote]

My points in red above are not a dig at the poster but genuine points. Rather than wait for someone to spoonfeed you whatever they want you to believe, seek out some answers on th'interweb, there's a huge amount of knowledge out there and the more you read the more you should understand. We are confident that ECOpure will stand up to scrutiny, even by the FDA, that is what we have strived for and achieved.
John.





Uses

DEG is used as a building block in organic synthesis, e.g. of morpholine and 1,4-dioxane. It is a solvent for nitrocellulose, resins, dyes, oils, and other organic compounds. It is a humectant for tobacco, cork, printing ink, and glue. Like ethylene glycol, a solution of diethylene glycol and water is used as a coolant. It slightly lowers the freezing point of the solution and significantly elevates its boiling point, making it more suitable for use in hot climates. It can be also found in some hydraulic fluids including brake fluids.
In personal care products (e.g. skin cream and lotions, deodorants) DEG is often replaced by selected diethylene glycol ethers.
Diethylene glycol is also illegally used as counterfeit glycerin in some nations and sold internationally as a component of cough syrup, toothpaste, and mouthwash.[1]
Can be used as an adulterant by winemakers to create a "sweet" wine.

Toxicity

Diethylene glycol has low acute toxicity in animal experiments.[2] The LD50 for small mammals has been tested at between 2 and 25 g/kg - much less toxic than its relative ethylene glycol, but still unsuitable for consumption. Several epidemics of poisonings have occurred when DEG was substituted for the non-toxic naturally occurring "triol" glycerine (also called glycerol) or propylene glycol in foodstuffs and pharmaceuticals. It appears diethylene glycol is more hazardous to humans than implied by oral toxicity data in laboratory animals.
Because of its adverse effects on humans, diethylene glycol is not allowed for use in food and drugs. The U.S. Code of Federal Regulations allows no more than 0.2% of diethylene glycol in polyethylene glycol when the latter is used as a food additive.[3]




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Occurrences


[edit] Food

Nitrosamines are produced from nitrites and secondary amines, which often occur in the form of proteins. Their formation can occur only under certain conditions, including strongly acidic conditions such as that of the human stomach. High temperatures, as in frying, can also enhance the formation of nitrosamines. These cooking styles may be responsible for thousands of cases of colon cancer per year across the world. The presence of nitrosamines may be identified by the Liebermann's reaction. [1]
Under acidic conditions the nitrite forms nitrous acid (HNO2), which is protonated and splits into the nitrosonium cation N≡O+ and water: H2NO2+ = H2O + NO+. The nitrosonium cation then reacts with an amine to produce nitrosamine.[citation needed]
Nitrosamines are found in many foodstuffs, especially beer, fish, and fish byproducts, and also in meat and cheese products preserved with nitrite pickling salt. The U.S. government established limits on the amount of nitrites used in meat products in order to decrease cancer risk in the population. There are also rules about adding ascorbic acid or related compounds to meat, because they inhibit nitrosamine formation.[citation needed]

[edit] Consumer products

Nitrosamines can be found in tobacco smoke and latex products. A test of party balloons and condoms indicated that many of them release small amounts of nitrosamines.[1] However, nitrosamines from condoms are not expected to be of toxicological significance.[2]

[edit] Cancer

Nitrosamines can cause cancers in a wide variety of animal species, a feature that suggests that they may also be carcinogenic in humans. Epidemiological data supports a positive association between nitrite and nitrosamine intake and gastric cancer, between meat and processed meat intake and gastric cancer and oesophageal cancer, but the studies are inconclusive.[3]

[edit] Examples of nitrosamines

Main article: Tobacco-specific nitrosamines
Substance Name CAS # Synonyms Molecular Formula Physical Appearance Found in Sources Carcinogenicity Category N-Nitrosonornicotine
NNN C9H11N3O
Tobacco smoke

4-(methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone
NNK; 4'-(nitrosomethylamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanone C10H13N3O2
Tobacco smoke [4]
4-(Methylnitrosamino)-1-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanol 76014-81-8 NNAL

Tobacco smoke

N-Nitrosoanabasine 37620-20-5 NAB

Tobacco smoke
IARC-3 N-Nitrosoanatabine 71267-22-6




IARC-3 4-(Methylnitrosoamino)-4-(3-pyridyl)-1-butanol
Iso-NNAL

Tobacco smoke

4-(N-Methylnitrosamino)-4-(3-pyridyl)butyric acid
Iso-NNAC

Tobacco smoke

N-Nitrosodiethylamine 55-18-5 diethylnitrosamide, diethylnitrosamine, N,N-diethylnitrosamine, N-ethyl-N-nitrosoethanamine, diethylnitrosamine, DANA, DENA, DEN, NDEA C4H10N2O yellow liquid
[5] [6] [7] EPA-B2; IARC-2A N-Nitrosodimethylamine 62-75-9 Dimethylnitrosamine, N,N-Dimethylnitrosamine, NDMA C2H6N2O


EPA-B2; IARC-2A; OSHA Carcinogen; TLV-A3 2-Nitro-p-phenylenediamine 5307-14-2




IARC-3 N-Nitrosodi-n-butylamide 924-16-3 DBN



EPA-B2; IARC-2B N-Nitrosodiethanolamine 1116-54-7 NDELA



EPA-B2; IARC-2B N-Nitrosodiphenylamine 86-30-6




IARC-3 p-Nitrosodiphenylamine 156-10-5




IARC-3 N-Nitrosodi-n-propylamine 621-64-7 NDPA



EPA-B2, IARC-2B N-Nitrosoethylphenylamine 612-64-6





N-Nitrosomethylphenylamine 614-00-6





2-Nitrodiphenylamine 119-75-5 NDPA, 2-NDPA, 2NO2DPA, Sudan Yellow 1339, C.I. 10335, CI 10335, phenyl 2-nitrophenylamine, 2-nitro-N-phenylaniline,N-phenyl-o-nitroaniline C12H10N2O2 red crystalline solid stabilizer of synthetic rubber

 

[Mufftrix]

The ingredients are sourced from certified UK suppliers who would be out of business if their products were found wanting.
This is why we buy from only reputable companies as there should be no need to test every single batch.
I have drunk gallons of Buxton Spring Water in my time but never questioned whether it really does come from a spring or if it is pure.
Walking down the street and breathing the exhaust fumes is likely to pose a greater risk of danger from cancer causing chemicals. We have no doubt as to the purity and quality control of ECOpure which is the result of months of intensive research and hard work.
John.

Think I may have hit a nerve unintentionally?

That all I wanted to know if the ingredients were uk sourced! As i am sure you are aware there a lot of unrest with the FDA scaremongering going on?

The reason I asked?

There are a lot of places that simply re bottle/make from China sourced stuff, and a one time test on China sourced stuff, does not mean a lot imo?

IF your stuff is sourced from UK, then that is indeed reassuring!

As for Buxton water, I cant imagine why you would choose this as an example Wouldn`t touch it with a bargepole ha-ha!

Mufftrix..........

 

[Bunni]

I for one love ECOpure. I have found only one supplier in the US. Why is that? Also, I'd like to see ECOpure offered in a larger size, as the largest bottle offered is 15ml.

 

[Shining Wit]

Think I may have hit a nerve unintentionally?

That all I wanted to know if the ingredients were uk sourced! As i am sure you are aware there a lot of unrest with the FDA scaremongering going on?

The reason I asked?

There are a lot of places that simply re bottle/make from China sourced stuff, and a one time test on China sourced stuff, does not mean a lot imo?

IF your stuff is sourced from UK, then that is indeed reassuring!

As for Buxton water, I cant imagine why you would choose this as an example Wouldn`t touch it with a bargepole ha-ha!

Mufftrix..........

You didn't hit a nerve, I just like to be as thorough as possible with my answers so that I don't appear to be 'hiding' something, an accusation that has been levelled at suppliers on a number of occasions.
I also wish people in general would make the effort to do a little research, it's amazing what can be learnt with a few mouse clicks. Again this would avoid any situation of witch hunt proportions when all kinds of opinions masquarading as facts get thrown into the mix. I have seen threads degenerate rapidly too many times and it is not a pretty sight.
Your question was valid and I hope I have reassured you.
One thing puzzles me though which you didn't answer;
Why are you inclined to think that DEG can get mixed into PG much easier than VG?
John.

 

[The Wrong Man]

OK, I'm confused.

I'm a big fan of ECOPure (have a big stash and wil be buying more) but I really don't understand how it can not contain any tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) while still containing nicotine. To the best of my knowledge, all pharmarceutical nicotine is derived from tobacco and it is currently impossible to extract the nicotine from tobacco without at least trace levels of TSNAs (and other impurities). There is talk on these forums of 'synthetic nicotine' but (again, as far as I am aware) such a thing does not exist (there are things like lobeline but they are to nicotine as methodone is to ......).

Nicorette et al have been unable to find a 'clean' way of extracting nicotine (all nic gums, patches, lozenges etc contain trace levels of TSNAs) and the FDA lab report published recently actually said that the carts they tested contained TSNAs and other common tobacco related impurities but at a lower level than that found in the Nicotrol inhalator (see footer of Table 1 in the FDA lab analysis).

The FDA press release said 'e-cigs might be bad' but the lab report they included actually said 'e-cigs are really bloody good'! They showed that even the Chinese juice that everyone is so scared of is really clean (except for one cart that had traces of DEG but not at a level to pose health worries). OK, I know I'm drifting OT now but that FDA lab report was probably the most positive study done on e-cigs so far.

I admit that I don't know too much aboout US law and the powers of the FDA (in the UK, new drugs are allowed until they are proved harmful - that's why we have big problems with 'legal highs') but it seems to me that if that study had shown e-cigs to be harmful, the FDA would have shut down all retailers by now. They haven't.

Most of this belongs in another thread (sorry), but my original question (ECOPure Nic/TSNA) belonged here and then I just got on a roll....
TWM.

 

[Shining Wit]

OK, I'm confused.

I'm a big fan of ECOPure (have a big stash and wil be buying more) but I really don't understand how it can not contain any tobacco specific nitrosamines (TSNAs) while still containing nicotine. To the best of my knowledge, all pharmarceutical nicotine is derived from tobacco and it is currently impossible to extract the nicotine from tobacco without at least trace levels of TSNAs (and other impurities).

Maybe 'no detectable trace' would be the term to use then?
The analysis used the most advanced techniques, including Nuclear Magnetic Resonance, which is rarely available in private labs.
There are issues to be addressed withing the industry and controls need to be in place, but what we have witnessed recently is more political pressure than proactive prevention.
John.