Efects of vaping flavours meant for consuming.

[TheCanuckVaper]

Good day,im pretty new to vaping,only 9 weeks in and I have a couple of concerns.Is there any evidence that point to safety when inhaling flavours that are meant for consuming,imo there is a big ifference between them.

My car windows get a thick coat of I'm guessing VG when I vape inside,does anyone know if our lungs are able to get rid of this thick juice or does it build up on the walls of our lungs like it does the car windshield.

Just some things I have been thinking about.....Cheers

 

[Asbestos4004]

Lots of threads about this very topic in the archives. I think the overall outcome of numerous studies conclude that there's nothing to prove it's UNSAFE. Calling it safe is a different beast. But it's certainly SAFER than the alternative.

 

[TheCanuckVaper]

From what I have been reading its probably vape at your own risk when using flavours,happy to have gone flavourless now.

 

[Bad Ninja]

From what I have been reading its probably vape at your own risk when using flavours,happy to have gone flavourless now.

Its always "vape at your own risk".
No guarantees.
Life isn't safe.
You won't make it out alive

 

[jamesbeat]

From what I have been reading its probably vape at your own risk when using flavours,happy to have gone flavourless now.

This.

There are thousands of chemicals that are used as flavoring ingredients - there would be no way to prove all of them (and all combinations of them) are safe to inhale into your lungs.

This is one of the three reasons I vape unflavored, the other two being that I actually prefer the taste, and that I'm too lazy to mess around with flavorings when I'm mixing my liquid.

There's little doubt that vaping flavors carries more risk than unflavored simply because you are adding more chemicals into the equation.

Whether this translates into real world danger is debatable though, and I very much doubt that it makes much difference.

If other members are to be believed, we should be far more worried about the huge amounts of Formaldehyde pouring out of our devices every time we hit the button.

This formaldehyde magically disappears before it can be tested, which makes it even more insidious.

 

[retired1]

There are thousands of chemicals that are used as flavoring ingredients - there would be no way to prove all of them (and all combinations of them) are safe to inhale into your lungs.

Please provide proof. Otherwise, please don't spout off unproven blanket statements of this nature.

 

[jamesbeat]

Please provide proof. Otherwise, please don't spout off unproven blanket statements of this nature.

I suppose it would be possible in theory, but in practice, who has the funding to test all combinations of all the chemicals used in flavorings?
And how do you actually prove something is safe?
You can get a very good idea of safety by experimenting, but you can never 100% prove something is safe.

 

[TheCanuckVaper]

My thing is just because its relatively safe to digest does not mean its safe to inhale.More study needs to be done on the subject including trying to find a flavour concentrate safe to inhale.

 

[440BB]

There is one initial difference between flavorings to consider - oils. Although safe to consume in foods, they are absolutely off limits for vaping, and some of the ones in the grocery store are oil based. Avoid them at all times.

Flavorings that are potentially acceptable for vaping are mixed in a PG, VG or alcohol base. Some non-oil flavorings may have irritants which affect some vapers, such as cinnamon, citrus fruits and creamy/butter flavorings.

In summary, avoid all oil based flavorings, read up here in the DIY section about which flavorings are most recommended, and consider sticking to established vape vendors for your sources. The more you learn up front the safer it is!

 

[jamesbeat]

It depends what you mean by 'safe'.
Inhaling anything but pure air probably isn't absolutely safe.
We can be pretty sure that it's considerably safer than smoking tobacco though.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Define 'safe'...

'Safe' to inhale,,, the AQI in most major cities leads to air quality warnings being issued at a frequent rate.
Anything above moderate really couldn't be considered 'safe' to inhale, but whatcha gonna do.
Even moderate isn't 'safe' to inhale for some folks.

'Safer' than inhaling the known toxins in smoldering tobacco.

If anything about vaping isn't 'safe' enough for you, probably best to quit, or eliminate things that concern you.

 

[KenD]

If other members are to be believed, we should be far more worried about the huge amounts of Formaldehyde pouring out of our devices every time we hit the button.

This formaldehyde magically disappears before it can be tested, which makes it even more insidious.

You're ridiculously misrepresenting the discussion that's going on in that thread. No one's making the claims you're ascribing to them. And it's all made more ridiculous when you simultaneously warn about flavourings, without providing any proof at all.

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[beckdg]

It depends what you mean by 'safe'.
Inhaling anything but pure air probably isn't absolutely safe.
We can be pretty sure that it's considerably safer than smoking tobacco though.

It might lend some credence to your position should "pure air" as you call it be proven "safe".

Unfortunately, air is neither "pure" nor "safe".

By leaps and bounds, definitely not in any absolute manner.

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[jamesbeat]

You're ridiculously misrepresenting the discussion that's going on in that thread. No one's making the claims you're ascribing to them. And it's all made more ridiculous when you simultaneously warn about flavourings, without providing any proof at all.

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You either didn't read what I wrote, or you didn't understand it.

I said that we have no data on flavorings (for inhalation into the lungs) and probably never will have data for every flavoring chemical or combination thereof.
They haven't been proven to be either dangerous or safe (although it's obviously impossible to prove something safe).

I didn't warn against using them, in fact I said that my opinion is that they are probably safe, and definitely safer than smoking tobacco.

 

[jamesbeat]

It might lend some credence to your position should "pure air" as you call it be proven "safe".

Unfortunately, air is neither "pure" nor "safe".

By leaps and bounds, definitely not in any absolute manner.

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In our industrialized world, there is probably no such thing as pure air any more.
The air we breathe isn't pure or safe because of pollutants.
That doesn't mean that pure air wouldn't be preferable, just that we don't have any.

 

[beckdg]

In our industrialized world, there is probably no such thing as pure air any more.
The air we breathe isn't pure or safe because of pollutants.
That doesn't mean that pure air wouldn't be preferable, just that we don't have any.

Regardless of industry, "air" never has been "pure" or likely even "ideal" for our lungs.

"Air" is organic, ever changing and for most of the history of this planet, even immediately toxic.

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[440BB]

At this moment I suspect air in the arctic is somewhat safer than vaping.

Breathing air in the Los Angeles basin? Probably better to be vaping in the arctic!

 

[jamesbeat]

Our lungs are machines evolved over millennia specifically for the purpose of breathing air.

 

[bwh79]

My thing is just because its relatively safe to digest does not mean its safe to inhale.

Here's what I don't get. Presumably it's considered "safe" to take these flavorings, mix them into a cake batter, put it into the oven where the volatile chemicals are heated to their evaporation point and permeate the air lending a pleasant odor to my kitchen, but then somehow, at the same time, it might not be "safe" to take the same flavorings, mix them into an e-liquid, put it into an atomizer where the same volatile chemicals are again heated to their evaporation point and permeate the air,lending a pleasant odor to my stanky breath? So I'm standing in the kitchen breathing in evaporated flavorings from the oven and it's just fine, but then I breathe in the same evaporated flavorings coming from my e-cig and, suddenly it's all "question marks"? What's the difference?

 

[beckdg]

Our lungs are machines evolved over millennia specifically for the purpose of breathing air.

Tell us something we don't know.

Air of what;

Specific humidity
Relative humidity
Temperature
Oxygen content
Nitrogen content
Argon
Helium
Carbon
Hydrogen
Pollen
Particulate matter
DOC
VOC
?????

Where can "ideal" air be found?

Los Angeles
London
The Andes
Arctic circle
?????

What is this "pure" air you speak of and where can it be found?

In what location?
At what time in history?

My children are suffering from our local "pure air" this season.

If there's something you know about "ideal air" you can save BILLIONS from the same suffering and torment.

PLEASE help.
For the sake of humanity.

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