Eleaf GS Air Fan

[Oregon Linda]

Have not counted them...yet...but first I need to correct an error I made in reviewing the Defender II 50 w.
Both you and I reported that the GS Air, or the M, or both didn't sit flush on top of the Defender. We may have assumed ---at least I did--- that this was a design issue with the mod.

I was wrong...it's a function of the length of the threaded base of the GS Air and /or M.
I have a GS-tank sitting on the Defender now, absolutely flush with the top of the mod.

Sorry for the previous misinformation.


Back to your question, Linda..There are four threads.

Another review amendment- three times today it has switched from watts to volts. I'm not sure why. I didn't have it locked. My bad. I did have it in my jeans pocket. My dumb.
I'll lock it tomorrow and see if it is the culprit, or if I am.

Thanks, Gran! Looks like the number of threads is about the same (minimal, basically). I guess that's one of the reasons these tanks are so cheap.

Regarding the Defender, mine still changes from watts to volts occasionally, but I'm really not sure if it's user error or a glitch with the mod. It always does it when I'm concentrating on something else. But if it's happening to you, too, that gives me pause. That's interesting that the base connection is shorter on the GS Tank. I wonder if that would cause a connection issue on mods that don't have a spring-loaded 510.

 

[Oregon Linda]

I read a lot of posts about priming stock pre-made coils. Here's my method:
I don't. And I've never burnt a coil or had a dry hit in either my Nautilus Mini, or GS Airs.
When I first started vaping, I read a lot to make sure I did the right things, a lot of sites, and people, said prime the coil by putting juice in the wick holes. I did this at first, but one day the engineer in me realized that doing that is no better, in fact if you use only a few drops in each hole not even as good, as just putting the coil in the filled tank, taking a few hits with power off, shaking it around a bit to get the air out, and letting it sit 5 or 1o minutes and then drawing a couple times unpowered and then start at low power, around 8 Watts, and take gentle short puffs the first few hits, then I''m good to go at whatever power I want.

Think about it. If you are putting drops in the coil head, a few drops on one side slot or hole, a few on the other, I guess if you are patient enough, you will saturate the wick in maybe 5 or 10 minutes or so, lol. instead I get a lot more juice up in the wick taking a draws unpowered with ALL the wick holes sucking in juice due to the vacuum being pulled when I draw. A lot faster and more efficient than letting only the wicking action of the cotton against ambient air pressure slowly saturate the coil as you try to pry drops into those little holes.

If I were going to going to prime a coil, I would use Cheechako's method, that way at least you get the inside of the wick around the coil saturated first, and i would probably put 5 or 6 drops or so. But i don't prime because I don't have to and you can't make me.
Well actually I do prime, but i do it by taking unpowered draws with the coil in the tank. A superior method. *Ducks* lol

I really don't do much at all to prime the regular coils. I just fill the tank and let it sit a few minutes. Then take a few unpowered hits, then vape away. But at a lower wattage.

 

[Cloudmann]

According to the site Cloudman posted ismoka is/was owned by Joyetech:
ISMOKA Trademark - Serial Number 85863070 :: Justia Trademarks
ISMOKA - Reviews & Brand Information - Joyetech (Changzhou) Electronics Co., Ltd. Changzhou, Jiangsu, - Serial Number: 85863070

iSmoke is also abandoned according to those sites...

Right. That's why you see so many entries spread out across a broad time range. Eleaf was formed with iSmoka in 2012, well after Joyetech already was an established entity. Joyetech started the ball rolling in an aquisition and that paper trail is what resulted... that's why iSmoka is pretty much a name only, now. Joyetech kept the Eleaf name active since loads of people are familiar with the brand. They also acquired and are using lots of iSmoka technology in their products. Eleaf manufacturing goes on, under Joyetech's umbrella, factories and employees were acquired, and the business model stayed largely the same.

Insofar as a news clip or whatnot, I don't think there actually is one... the two companies kept the whole thing hush-hush until the deal was already done.

 

[GranFumador]

According to the site Cloudman posted ismoka is/was owned by Joyetech:
ISMOKA Trademark - Serial Number 85863070 :: Justia Trademarks
ISMOKA - Reviews & Brand Information - Joyetech (Changzhou) Electronics Co., Ltd. Changzhou, Jiangsu, - Serial Number: 85863070

iSmoke is also abandoned according to those sites... you can apply for it for only $159.00... lol...

Don't mean to go all legal on you... but you may be confusing the abandonment of a trademark application with somehing about the corporate entity itself. A trademark is
an asset of an individual or "corporate person". So is a monkey wrench, or a janitor's mop. It is not the company itself. IP law has specific rules, both by country of filing and for international protection. All of that is distinct from the owning entity's status
and equity ownership.

 

[Burn3d]

Okay. I'm an idiot. I think what was first suggested was to put a few drops in to the top hole of the coil, not the side holes. I think I have this figured out.

I took the old burnt coil and dropped a few drops directly in to the hole on top of the coil and put it in a new GS AIR M tank I have and filled it up. Did a few dry hits and started off low. It seems to be vaping nicely. I'm sure some of the cotton is burned but it tastes fine.

Hopefully I haven't done too much damage to it. I'm down to 4 new coils right now plus the two new ones I used today.

Correct me if I'm wrong about where to put the liquid when priming.

And now I'll quit flooding this thread with "help me prime a coil" questions.

Thanks again to everyone

 

[Bikenstein]

According to the site Cloudman posted ismoka is/was owned by Joyetech:
ISMOKA Trademark - Serial Number 85863070 :: Justia Trademarks
ISMOKA - Reviews & Brand Information - Joyetech (Changzhou) Electronics Co., Ltd. Changzhou, Jiangsu, - Serial Number: 85863070

iSmoke is also abandoned according to those sites... you can apply for it for only $159.00... lol...

I've seen and read these trademark applications before as I've already mentioned. This particular application for the trademark Ismoka was abandoned. iSmoka is still in full operation in China and manufacturing the eLeafs. If iSmoka, eLeaf, Joyetech or any name is not already registered in the U.S., I can register it under my company name if I wanted to. That doesn't mean I acquired, merged with, or bought the company.

 

[Burn3d]

I've seen and read these trademark applications before as I've already mentioned. This particular application for the trademark Ismoka was abandoned. iSmoka is still in full operation in China and manufacturing the eLeafs. If iSmoka, eLeaf, Joyetech or any name is not already registered in the U.S., I can register it under my company name if I wanted to. That doesn't mean I acquired, merged with, or bought the company.

So is the consensus that Joyetech is iSmoka is Eleaf? I always thought that iSmoka was a subsidiary of Joyetech but that was just was other's opinions nothing factual?

 

[Cloudmann]

Don't mean to go all legal on you... but you may be confusing the abandonment of a trademark application with somehing about the corporate entity itself. A trademark is
an asset of an individual or "corporate person". So is a monkey wrench, or a janitor's mop. It is not the company itself. IP law has specific rules, both by country of filing and for international protection. All of that is distinct from the owning entity's status
and equity ownership.

Agreed, but all they kept intact is the IP and the trademark for iSmoka. It was absorbed into the Eleaf business model. The global Eleaf corporation now represents the iSmoka brand as well. Eleaf, however still exists as a no-kidding business... just one that's wholly owned by and shares technology with Joyetech. That technology (and money) sharing works both ways and Eleaf has deeper pockets to dig into for research and development or whatever and access to Joyetech's designs for rebadging (and vice versa). Joyetech gets to reap monetary benefits from their own products and Eleaf's as well. It was a smart business move. iSmoka was relegated to a trademark for those globally that were familiar with the brand but is effectively a "by the way, this is what we are now" nametag, only. Even a Google search for iSmoka just directs to the global Eleaf site, now.

 

[Bikenstein]

So is the consensus that Joyetech is iSmoka is Eleaf? I always thought that iSmoka was a subsidiary of Joyetech but that was just was other's opinions nothing factual?

I know they are affiliated (Joyetech and iSmoka). eleaf is just a brand like Evic is a brand. I don't know what the affiliation is. I couldn't say if Joyetech owns iSmoka or not. They were established in China before iSmoka but they do not list eleaf in any of the products they make. ismoka does list the eleafs as their manufactured products. Who really knows? I believe iSmoka may have been originally developed by Joyetech. As far as Joyetech coming to "own" ismoka, I would like to see documentation of it. But then again I don't care so much as just being curious. The only thing I'm quite sure of is eLeaf is not a company in China but a product manufactured by iSmoka unless that has changed in the last month.
Shenzhen iSmoka Electronics Co., Ltd. - BCC,Mini iKit
Shenzhen Joyetech Co., Ltd. - Electronic Cigarette,ECAB Cigarette

 

[Cloudmann]

At any rate, Joyetech/Eleaf are parts of the same entity, and they're owned by Joyetech. Reader's Digest version.

 

[David Wolf]

Okay. I'm an idiot. I think what was first suggested was to put a few drops in to the top hole of the coil, not the side holes. I think I have this figured out.

I took the old burnt coil and dropped a few drops directly in to the hole on top of the coil and put it in a new GS AIR M tank I have and filled it up. Did a few dry hits and started off low. It seems to be vaping nicely. I'm sure some of the cotton is burned but it tastes fine.

Hopefully I haven't done too much damage to it. I'm down to 4 new coils right now plus the two new ones I used today.

Correct me if I'm wrong about where to put the liquid when priming.

And now I'll quit flooding this thread with "help me prime a coil" questions.

Thanks again to everyone

That is what was suggested to you and I think that's fine. Sides are ok too if you want. Unpowered puffs are good. But I would really really let it soak 10 minutes or so if it's one of the new cotton coils if it were me.

 

[Callipleura]

Don't mean to go all legal on you... but you may be confusing the abandonment of a trademark application with somehing about the corporate entity itself. A trademark is
an asset of an individual or "corporate person". So is a monkey wrench, or a janitor's mop. It is not the company itself. IP law has specific rules, both by country of filing and for international protection. All of that is distinct from the owning entity's status
and equity ownership.

I never said it was.

 

[GranFumador]

Thanks, Gran! Looks like the number of threads is about the same (minimal, basically). I guess that's one of the reasons these tanks are so cheap.

Or maybe it's adequate threading? Just dug out an old Protank. It has four threads.

Regarding the Defender, mine still changes from watts to volts occasionally, but I'm really not sure if it's user error or a glitch with the mod. It always does it when I'm concentrating on something else. But if it's happening to you, too, that gives me pause. That's interesting that the base connection is shorter on the GS Tank. I wonder if that would cause a connection issue on mods that don't have a spring-loaded 510.

The same question popped into my head, so I put the gs-tank on a Spinner II, with a non-spring loaded 510/510 extender on it. Works just fine.

There is much about vaping hardware I don't understand.

 

[Bikenstein]

Agreed, but all they kept intact is the IP and the trademark for iSmoka. It was absorbed into the Eleaf business model. The global Eleaf corporation now represents the iSmoka brand as well. Eleaf, however still exists as a no-kidding business... just one that's wholly owned by and shares technology with Joyetech. That technology (and money) sharing works both ways and Eleaf has deeper pockets to dig into for research and development or whatever and access to Joyetech's designs for rebadging (and vice versa). Joyetech gets to reap monetary benefits from their own products and Eleaf's as well. It was a smart business move. iSmoka was relegated to a trademark for those globally that were familiar with the brand but is effectively a "by the way, this is what we are now" nametag, only. Even a Google search for iSmoka just directs to the global Eleaf site, now.

How about a link to the Global eLeaf site? Where did you get the info that eLeaf became the company and iSmoka the brand?

 

[Burn3d]

I know they are affiliated (Joyetech and iSmoka). eleaf is just a brand like Evic is a brand. I don't know what the affiliation is. I couldn't say if Joyetech owns iSmoka or not. They were established in China before iSmoka but they do not list eleaf in any of the products they make. ismoka does list the eleafs as their manufactured products. Who really knows? I believe iSmoka may have been originally developed by Joyetech. As far as Joyetech coming to "own" ismoka, I would like to see documentation of it. But then again I don't care so much as just being curious. The only thing I'm quite sure of is eLeaf is not a company in China but a product manufactured by iSmoka unless that has changed in the last month.

Yeah, I've been curious about this too. As a consumer\end user is makes no real difference to me other than I started vaping with Joyetech and they seem to be one of the oldest quality companies in this market.

So Eleaf is a product line made by iSmoka. The relationship between Joyetech and iSmoka is uncertain.

What seems odd to me is iSmoka and Joyetech have competing products that keep coming out at the same time. I don't understand why they would compete with market share by introducing similar products.

It seems like iSmoka brand is their testing products and Joyetech brand is their finished product and we are the guinea pigs.

 

[Cloudmann]

How about a link to the Global eLeaf site? Where did you get the info that eLeaf became the company and iSmoka the brand?

Inferred by the fact that ismoka has no web site. The parent company has one and the ismoka logo is added to theirs on the global page.

iSmoka/Eleaf electronic cigarette

 

[GranFumador]

I never said it was.

Good to know. I was attempting to clarify your statement that, "ismoka is/was owned by Joyetech." The links referred to IP ownership, and not to business entity ownership.
While they usually go together, they are not the same thing.

 

[Cloudmann]

Again, we're splitting hairs at this point. Three trademarks, two companies, one pocket. Doesn't affect us, really.

 

[Bikenstein]

Inferred by the fact that ismoka has no web site. The parent company has one and the ismoka logo is added to theirs on the global page.

iSmoka/Eleaf electronic cigarette

This is from that site

If you are interested in becoming a wholesaler. Please write to info@iSmoka.com to tell us a little bit about yourself.
If you have any feedback or suggestions about our products，or need for technical support，please contact service@ismoka.com

Email: info@ismoka.com
service@ismoka.com

Telephone: 86-755-33193193

Fax: 86-755-88213832

I have corresponded that site before. They denied being the manufacturer just a distributor and the link they gave takes you right back to the same site

Mihir Mehta (Support)

Jul 16, 11:04

Dear Bikenstein,
We eleaf manufacturer website is : eleafworld.com and their email is : service@ismoka.com. Please kindly contact them for further assistance. I apologize for inconvenience.

C........1

Jul 15, 21:58

If you are only a distributor and not the manufacturer then why is this on your "about us" page?
Company

Shenzhen iSmoka Electronics Co., Ltd. was established in 2008, and is located on 2&3F, B-28, Heyi Beifang Tech. Industrial Park, Shajing Town, Baoan District, Shenzhen. It is building up an excellent reputation for high-quality products and exceptional customer support. Experienced management, along with strong relationships with distributors, enables iSmoka Electronics Co., Ltd to quickly respond to customers' demands..........................
We, at iSmoka, believe that success requires providing world-class products at a competitive price as well as outstanding customer service. We consider all our customers to be partners, and we will do whatever necessary for establishing and maintaining solid relationships.

 

[Bikenstein]

Yeah, I've been curious about this too. As a consumer\end user is makes no real difference to me other than I started vaping with Joyetech and they seem to be one of the oldest quality companies in this market.

So Eleaf is a product line made by iSmoka. The relationship between Joyetech and iSmoka is uncertain.

What seems odd to me is iSmoka and Joyetech have competing products that keep coming out at the same time. I don't understand why they would compete with market share by introducing similar products.

It seems like iSmoka brand is their testing products and Joyetech brand is their finished product and we are the guinea pigs.

Correct So therefore if you want the 90 day warranty on an iStick and your vendor won't honor it, you need to save your code and receipt and contact iSmoka