ELiquid Harsh Issue

[GregNTulsa]

i mixed the following yesterday and it smells and vapes very harsh. Almost like paint thinner.

The recipe I used:
18ml of 100mg vg nic
72 ml of vg
5 ml of Banana flavoring from myfreedomsmokes

I know I am 5ml short on flavoring, but afraid it will be too strong.

Am I missing something here?

Thanks,

GregNTulsa

 

[LobsterGoD]

It's best to steep/breath your juices if they come out harsh. Let it breath for about 2hrs then cap it back up, shake it, and let it steep for about 24hrs before giving it another try.

 

[Sir2fyablyNutz]

18 mg is really high for a subtank and you're actually a little above 18mg (due to the 5% missing). PG carries the flavor better than vg and you don't have much at all (just in the flavoring). Nicotine can make a juice harsh. VG will take longer to absorb the flavors and most people add more flavor when going high VG in their mixes. The juice will need stirred, shaken and steeped.

 

[GregNTulsa]

Instead of using PG, can I use distilled water to help carry the flavor?
I agree 18mg is high. In my next attempt I am going to cut nic in half. Also going to try before adding flavor.

 

[GregNTulsa]

Instead of using PG, can I use distilled water to help carry the flavor?
I agree 18mg is high. In my next attempt I am going to cut nic in half.

Would using water help absorb the flavor better? Looking at the juice you are right about it not mixing well.

 

[daviedog]

Have you used this chemistry before?
I would mix the PG&VG FIRST. Vape & adjust, then flavoring. Only when you are satisfied add the nico.
For the batch you already have, steep as suggested above. You may consider E.M. instead of water..

 

[GregNTulsa]

Have you used this chemistry before?
I would mix the PG&VG FIRST. Vape & adjust, then flavoring. Only when you are satisfied add the nico.
For the batch you already have, steep as suggested above. You may consider E.M. instead of water..

Forgive me as I am super new to making my own liquid, but what is E.M.?

 

[Wraith504]

Forgive me as I am super new to making my own liquid, but what is E.M.?

Ethyl Maltol often used in recipes as a sweetner

 

[Wraith504]

Most of my mixes are max VG and typically my flavor percentage is between 15-20%

 

[Hans Wermhat]

I'm new to DIYing too. Most of the flavors I have tried definitely need to steep. Some of the flavorings I have tried are harsh if I sample them immediately after mixing, but most seem to mellow out after a few hours. The 2hr cap off trick seems to work well for anything that tastes waxy/paint-thinnery. And steeping for 24hrs has proven to be plenty to get a decent idea of how the mix will turn out. Some of the flavors will continue to mature for up to 2 weeks, so it's a good idea to put a small amount of each batch away in a cool, dark place, then revisit it. I like the high VG as well because PG irritates my throat...and I like the clouds TBH. I shoot for around 80-85% VG with 15-20% flavor.

 

[lovemytank]

Sir, 25mg nic with 5% flavoring sounds awful to me too. Do the math on your nic, is this what you were looking for?

 

[DoctorJ]

Have you used this chemistry before?
I would mix the PG&VG FIRST. Vape & adjust, then flavoring. Only when you are satisfied add the nico.
For the batch you already have, steep as suggested above. You may consider E.M. instead of water..

I use EM in almost all my DIY mixes. Another thing that might help if the juice is still harsh after steeping is koolada. This gives your juice an "icy" feel and can tone down harsh juices.

 

[sacullen]

Besides airing and aging, might I recommend mixing smaller batches? Start small until you have a recipe down pat, then you can ramp it up.