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I have an observation I would like to share and gather input on as to what might be leading to this. I have started sampling eliquids. I have sample packs currently from 2 vendors and more on the way. The things I notice between these 2 vendors (both highly rated on sites for their liquid, both don't publish the VG/PG ratios) are fairly distinct differences and I would like a better understanding of why.

1) Vendor A's liquid is thick. With a 3.7V mod device running 1.5 Ohm atty it vapes at a nice heat with loads of vapor and flavor. I start with 3-4 drops on a new (or freshly cleaned atty) and will add 2-3 drops every 7 or so vapes. With this vendor's juices I can start tasting the dry smoke and easily know when it is time to add more drops. When I blow out the atty to clean, I get a dark residue with this juice.

2) Vendor B's liquid is thinner. With the same setup the vapor is hotter and doesn't have as strong a flavor. The flavors seem to last even when the atty is dry. I just notice a difference in the heat not the taste. I have to keep this liquid wet. I will start with 7 or so drop and do 4 drops every 4-5 vapes. I seem to go through liquid much faster with this juice. And the most interesting (at least to me), is that when I blow this atty out I don't seem to have any residue!

I can understand differences in flavors, and even thickness. I would like better understanding of what the PG/VG does as far as thickness/thinness as well as the residue piece, which I can't seem to find anyone mentioning online. Thanks for any input and observations. I am hoping to gain a better understanding so I can further understand eliquids and order the right ones for my taste. I did not include the vendor's names because I actually like both vendors and don't want anyone to draw any negatives from this.
 

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The more VG the thicker it will be, unless ethyl alc. or distilled water is adder to it. As far as gunk is concerned, certain juices have sweeteners or other ingredients from flavoring that can gunk up a atty or carto. I love KBV's GBC and it's not the best for my cartos, but IMO I love it and it's worth not getting as much life out a carto. Just my :2c:
 

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both highly rated on sites for their liquid, both don't publish the VG/PG ratios

This sounds like an oxymoron or something like that. How can you buy juice without knowing the pg/vg ratio and whatever else is in it.

Boils at F.
Propylene glycol = 368F
Glycerin = 554F
Water = 212
Alcohol - ethyl = 172F

Any of the above can be used with juice. Basically with more vg you get thicker juice and higher temperature vapor. A high pg ratio will vaporize more juice and you will go through more liquid.
 

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I appreciate the replies.

@Traver, both vendors are ECF suppliers, and both publish that their liquids are VG/PG mix, they just don't list (or let you pick) the mix.

@ScottInBoca, that makes sense. I found it interesting that even the light (clear) sweet liquids were blowing out blackish residue, makes sense that it is some type of sweetener.
 

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How can you buy juice without knowing the pg/vg ratio

I emailed the owner of Halo and asked him what the PG/VG ratio of a juice I ordered from him was. He said he didn't want to tell me because a lot of people were trying to duplicate his juices. WHAT!?! You want to sell me something I'm going to INHALE and you won't tell me the ratio? Halo makes some great juices but I'll NEVER order from them or recommend them again.:nah:
 

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I emailed the owner of Halo and asked him what the PG/VG ratio of a juice I ordered from him was. He said he didn't want to tell me because a lot of people were trying to duplicate his juices. WHAT!?! You want to sell me something I'm going to INHALE and you won't tell me the ratio? Halo makes some great juices but I'll NEVER order from them or recommend them again.:nah:

I will neither confirm nor deny whether that maybe one of the vendors ;)
 

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I will neither confirm nor deny whether that maybe one of the vendors ;)

Hahaha! I came to comment on your quandry, okcodemonkey, but the previous replies basically covered what I had to say... Most vendors will tell you what's in their juices, or even select the precise blend. I have bought some juices such as *cough*HALO*cough* that are unlisted ratios, but in the case of Halo, I'll accept the lack of info, at least for now. That is one fine array of e juices they make IMO.

Good luck! :)
 

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I emailed the owner of Halo and asked him what the PG/VG ratio of a juice I ordered from him was. He said he didn't want to tell me because a lot of people were trying to duplicate his juices. WHAT!?! You want to sell me something I'm going to INHALE and you won't tell me the ratio? Halo makes some great juices but I'll NEVER order from them or recommend them again.:nah:

I don't see how it matters what their ratio is as far as safety is concerned. Although I do tend to prefer having the ability to customize my pg/vg ratio. I also don't quite understand how knowing their pg/vg ratio would allow anyone to copy their flavors. And to the OP, as scottinboca and traver said VG is thicker than PG and they vaporize at different temperatures. So different ratios of pg/vg will vaporize faster or slower than others.
 

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You're right MT. Torque 56 and Truepure are both great and I've recommended both many times. But some people are sensitive to either PG or VG and as consumers they need to know what they're vaping.
I get that some people are sensitive to either PG or VG but as long as you know its a mix of both you would know to stay away. No need to know exact percentages as far as safety is concerned. But i do understand people having their own preference as I myself prefer to be able to choose my PG/VG ratio. Although every vendor I've ever dealt with has allowed me to customize my own PG/VG and nicotine ratio's.
 

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I emailed the owner of Halo and asked him what the PG/VG ratio of a juice I ordered from him was. He said he didn't want to tell me because a lot of people were trying to duplicate his juices. WHAT!?! You want to sell me something I'm going to INHALE and you won't tell me the ratio? Halo makes some great juices but I'll NEVER order from them or recommend them again.:nah:
Same here.
This attitude of by some venders that the less I know better for him is not something I am going to buy. Haven't we learned from cigarettes that our lives are at stake when we inhale something day after day.
 

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I emailed the owner of Halo and asked him what the PG/VG ratio of a juice I ordered from him was. He said he didn't want to tell me because a lot of people were trying to duplicate his juices. WHAT!?! You want to sell me something I'm going to INHALE and you won't tell me the ratio? Halo makes some great juices but I'll NEVER order from them or recommend them again.:nah:

Halo is a proprietary blend, that indeed many have wanted to copy. There are DIY sellers that actually sell Halo's flavor. Halo is created in a lab. Johnny Blaze has not ever, that I know of, given out his pg/vg make-up of any of his juices. If you want to know about a specific one, I can give you my best guess. He will tell you if an ingredient is in his juice; for instance, he has stated that there is no diacetyl in any of his juices. And so, if you have a concern about any ingredient, just ask him about it or check the Halo forum.
 

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I get that some people are sensitive to either PG or VG but as long as you know its a mix of both you would know to stay away. No need to know exact percentages as far as safety is concerned. But i do understand people having their own preference as I myself prefer to be able to choose my PG/VG ratio. Although every vendor I've ever dealt with has allowed me to customize my own PG/VG and nicotine ratio's.

They contain both PG & VG--more PG than VG. IMO, most of the juices are 80/20 PG/VG. Malibu, Tiki and Tribeca are probably in the range of 60-70% PG.
 

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The more VG the thicker it will be, unless ethyl alc. or distilled water is adder to it. As far as gunk is concerned, certain juices have sweeteners or other ingredients from flavoring that can gunk up a atty or carto. I love KBV's GBC and it's not the best for my cartos, but IMO I love it and it's worth not getting as much life out a carto. Just my :2c:

That's true. Although nhalers juice is pg and his juice is not thin. In fact his high voltage juice is very thick to me. I guess it depends on their formula.
 

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Halo is a proprietary blend, that indeed many have wanted to copy. There are DIY sellers that actually sell Halo's flavor. Halo is created in a lab. Johnny Blaze has not ever, that I know of, given out his pg/vg make-up of any of his juices. If you want to know about a specific one, I can give you my best guess. He will tell you if an ingredient is in his juice; for instance, he has stated that there is no diacetyl in any of his juices. And so, if you have a concern about any ingredient, just ask him about it or check the Halo forum.
To my lungs are more important than his profits. To him profits may come first.
 

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To my lungs are more important than his profits. To him profits may come first.

The only thing you're not able to find out is the percentage of pg and vg. I don't see how that is a risk to your lungs. He will openly tell you the ingredients just not the ratios. I could understand if you don't like not being able to know but it's certainly not a health concern.
 

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The only thing you're not able to find out is the percentage of pg and vg. I don't see how that is a risk to your lungs. He will openly tell you the ingredients just not the ratios. I could understand if you don't like not being able to know but it's certainly not a health concern.
In that case I was wrong and apologize.
PG levels are an issue for me because I can't vape over 50/50 but that isn't what I am concerned about.
 

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In that case I was wrong and apologize.
PG levels are an issue for me because I can't vape over 50/50 but that isn't what I am concerned about.
No need to apologize I just didn't understand what all the concern was about a vendor not wanting just anyone to be able to recreate their exact product on their own.
 

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No need to apologize I just didn't understand what all the concern was about a vendor not wanting just anyone to be able to recreate their exact product on their own.
Because this dealer doesn't disclose his pg/vg radios I jumped to the conclusion that he also won't say what is in his juice. That was a mistake on my part.
If I vape to much pg it irritates my throat and I need to know the ratio. That is also true for a lot of other people. So I still would't recommend him.
There is also a larger issue of safety. We need to know what is in the liquids we vape. Not all vendors care about our health. Even if they do they may not have the time to research the safety of every ingredient in their liquids. When a dealer won't disclose something as basic as the ratio of pg/vg it raises my suspicions.
 
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