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I think you are reading more into the intent of his statements then others of us are. What I read is that Dr Siegel thinks it would be dangerous to vapers if ecigs were banned because they might relapse to more risky smoking. I think most, if not all of us, can agree with that. I also read that he doesn't know of any study that proves that e-cigs are known to cause cancer. I think most of us can also agree that we don't know of any study that proves that e-cigs cause cancer. As far as I know there haven't been any studies that prove it either way. What I have not read is where he states that they are proven to be risk free either to myself or to anyone who is in my vicinity when I vape.
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Now who is misdirecting? You want a long term study (medically that is 10 - 20 years) on an activity that has been in existence in mass only 5 - 6 years. The experts in the field don't need a long term study to make definitive statements on the safety to others from vapor. I trust them, you don't.
You, the FDA and Big Pharm want 20 year studies or vaping must be considered unsafe. Hold on to that fearful thinking. It is obvious it is near and dear to you.
From my conversation with one of his trusted colleagues, he believes that vapor is not harmful at all to those near by. He wants longer term studies for vapers themselves. He knows it is still 100% safer than smoking to the user but wants studies to see if there are any side effects for the user in the realm of long term use.
I didn't read where anyone in this thread said that vaping must be considered unsafe, only that any risks associated with vaping cannot be known until those studies are done. Anyone who touts themselves as an expert in this field and makes a definitive statement that vaping is 100% safe is, in my opinion, dangerous. There are way too many unknowns at this point, and I don't believe that any real scientist would put forth anything other than a hypothesis without real and meaningful data to back up their conclusions.
I agree that it is not known if vaping is 100% safe for the user over the long term, only that it is 100% safer than smoking. But for those near by a vaper, there is more than enough evidence from the studies already conducted that it is safe from that standpoint. That is why these experts have made these type of statements. No one is at risk from some theoritical second hand vapor.
Perhaps one of the biggest issues here is that when you vap, it looks like smoke and the nation (including us vapers) have become accustomed to want to stay away from it. That brings on the 'what ifs' for many. Non-smokers get very uncomfortable around 'smoke'. another issue with vaping in areas that are smoke free is that smokers may think you are smoking from a distance and light up themselves, I.e. if you can get away with it, you must know something I don't so perhaps I can get away with it as well, or at least, it could trigger a 'need' to have a smoke.
I have been told by my smoking cessation counselor that nicotin isn't harmful, it's all the tar and additive in cigarettes that are harmful. When my breath was tested for carbon monoxide as a smoker, it was 27ppm and two weeks later after vaping for 1.5 days, the carbon monoxide levels were normal. That's enough for me.
I have been told by my smoking cessation counselor that nicotin isn't harmful, it's all the tar and additive in cigarettes that are harmful. When my breath was tested for carbon monoxide as a smoker, it was 27ppm and two weeks later after vaping for 1.5 days, the carbon monoxide levels were normal. That's enough for me.
i do not vape in a non smoking location. i will however vape in the car, on the boat, horse back riding, cycling, motor biking, off roading, around the grandkids, with my dogs and cats, at work (in the designated area's), bathrooms, and at home inside and out. I will not at my desk, inside a friends home, i someone elses car,... you get the picture. Common courtesy, respecting others is the point. If some one complains, respect them. just rember it has to be a 2 way street.
I vape where appropriate. I know in my head where that is and isn't. In a bar/restaurant/airport/public space, discreetly and not calling attention to myself...yep. At Chuck E Cheese on a Saturday afternoon in full view of parents and crumb-snatchers...nope.
I reconsidered the ecig policy at work. I can get where the smell of some juices can cause issue...and can understand that people have PG allergies...so makes sense to not vape indoors at work (depending on your job).
I reconsidered the ecig policy at work. I can get where the smell of some juices can cause issue...and can understand that people have PG allergies...so makes sense to not vape indoors at work (depending on your job).
I agree. My dog doesn't like it but all 3 of my cats don't seem to mind it and my possum actually likes it. If I have my PV on a lanyard when I hold her, she will try to bite on my PV if I don't take it off.
I'll tell you what... this thread was very informative yet at the same time... I feel like I might have lost a few braincells... Seems like the OP ditched the thread. Well done to all, great thread - entertaining read... haha.
Anyway - personally, I will vape in dining places, grocery stores, etc, but I can't at work - I respect that though... And when I am vaping in a public place, I make sure I am respectful, i.e. not blowing it in somebody's face, making sure there are not people a lot of people around me... Vapors for freedom!
Anyway - personally, I will vape in dining places, grocery stores, etc, but I can't at work - I respect that though... And when I am vaping in a public place, I make sure I am respectful, i.e. not blowing it in somebody's face, making sure there are not people a lot of people around me... Vapors for freedom!
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