Encouragement for Sticking with Vapeing

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Worry you not about the past. Seek only the future, you must. There is no try. Do or not do. Use the force!

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According to Wikipedia ( if you care to trust them) Polonium-210 is found in tobacco products that used a certain type of fertilizer.

The presence of polonium in tobacco smoke has been known since the early 1960s.[60][61] Some of the world's biggest tobacco firms researched ways to remove the substance—to no avail—over a 40-year period but never published the results.[25]

Radioactive polonium-210 contained in phosphate fertilizers is absorbed by the roots of plants (such as tobacco) and stored in its tissues.[62][63][64] Tobacco plants fertilized by rock phosphates contain polonium-210, which emits alpha radiation estimated to cause about 11,700 lung cancer deaths annually worldwide
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Got my curiosity up and went Googleing, found this paper from 1966 in a public health group. Nice to know I was giving myself an ongoing radiation treatment with my smokes for 53 years. :(

An interesting read. I'm certainly no biologist or chemist, but can at least read and basically interpret such publications. While a factor in the overall danger of cigarettes, and the resource list shows other similar investigations in the early to mid 60's, I certainly wouldn't concern myself too much with polonium 210. The studies determined an incidence between 1/30th and 1/200th of dangerous levels, and that's based upon a 2 PAD smoker. Cigarettes and their ingredients are likely to have changed considerably over the past 40 years too. I still would focus more on the tar, and the few thousand unknown ingredients. Glad to know about it though, for sure.
 

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Okay, now here's another question...what about our ejuice? Does it or does it not contain the radiation that analogs do? Doesn't our nic come from tobacco? Okay, I know that was more than one question but does anyone know?

Highly doubtful there hairball! The simple act of extraction would likely remove the threat to us...at least to any significant damaging level. At least that is my thoughts on the matter. I was a chemist a while back, but radioactive material was for sure NOT my area of expertise.
 

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Okay, now here's another question...what about our ejuice? Does it or does it not contain the radiation that analogs do? Doesn't our nic come from tobacco? Okay, I know that was more than one question but does anyone know?


That's a fair question my feline friend and I assume the answer lies in how the nicotine is extracted from tobacco. Do they use a chemical process or a physical process? I'm thinking perhaps if they use a chemical process they can isolate only the nicotine from any other substance and thus leave the Polonium-210 behind. I think I will research this.
 

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That's a fair question my feline friend and I assume the answer lies in how the nicotine is extracted from tobacco. Do they use a chemical process or a physical process? I'm thinking perhaps if they use a chemical process they can isolate only the nicotine from any other substance and thus leave the Polonium-210 behind. I think I will research this.

To my knowledge the generally accepted process is pretty benign. Nicotine is dissolved by several agents (including water to a point.) It can even be purified. I am unsure of the processes used by our nic suppliers, but if they use standard methodology, it's one of those "no big deal" type issues. That said, (and I do NOT state this to instill panic) one common process for nic determination involves kerosene as the solvent agent. This process would likely be used for quantification purposes only though...not to render the resultant nicotine usable by any means.
 

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To my knowledge the generally accepted process is pretty benign. Nicotine is dissolved by several agents (including water to a point.) It can even be purified. I am unsure of the processes used by our nic suppliers, but if they use standard methodology, it's one of those "no big deal" type issues. That said, (and I do NOT state this to instill panic) one common process for nic determination involves kerosene as the solvent agent. This process would likely be used for quantification purposes only though...not to render the resultant nicotine usable by any means.

Thanks for the info. I just spent some time reading and it seems nicotine can be extracted either way, by a simple physical process or by using harsh chemicals. Most of the time it seems the simple process is used then the nicotine is purified (strained, filtered to remove impurities and extra water removed to strengthen to desired strength) This is natural nicotine and there is also synthetic nicotine which is way more costly. (we don't use that) At least that's what I've read so far. Without knowing exactly where your DIY liquid nicotine or the nicotine in various e-liquids come from (though mostly China and India) one cannot be 100% sure which method was used.

But carpedebass.. what would this in turn mean for the presence of any Polonium-210 left in the resulting liquid?
 

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But carpedebass.. what would this in turn mean for the presence of any Polonium-210 left in the resulting liquid?

It is likely not there. If it is, it is likely in such minute concentrations, it would probably do you no harm. People see the term "radiation" and panic. Radiation (including Po-210) in one form or another is all around us, and cannot be avoided. The saving grace is that it is in concentrations that the body can handle. It's all a matter of concentration. Too much, of course is bad. But Po-210 is all around you. It occurs naturally at safe levels.

That said, in terms of radioactivity, it is highly radioactive but the alpha particles are not easily absorbed. Typical decontamination practices to the best of my knowledge include simple hand washing or showering.

The half life is also relatively short. If I recall correctly, about 130 days. Given the fairly high volatility of it, and the low absorption rates, I would seriously be surprised if enough remained post extraction to do you any harm.

In terms of tobacco, there have been elevated levels found on tobacco leaves (and other broad leaf plants) but, again, simple washing takes care of most of it. I'm not convinced there is even too much REAL truth to the article listed by the OP regarding analogs. This could be simple media hype. With the small absorption rate and fair volatility...I'm not completely convinced that this is a real hazard. Again, however, I am NO EXPERT in radioactive materials.

*EDIT* I am MUCH more concerned about the other contents of analog smoke.
 
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I am a member of Gizmodo, I posted a comment with a link to the success stories forum threads so hopefully we can get a few more people to convert!

If you are a member of Gizmodo, what did you think of that report a few months ago of the crap ripoff $100+ model that looked basically like a blu but with different packaging?
 
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