End time signs ?

[mightymen]

You know the story of Gideon it can be found in Judges starting at chapter 6 and covers a lot of chapters.

Thinking on where chapter 7 verse 2 starts out with

"And the Lord said to Gideon' "The people who are with you are too many for Me to give the Midianites into their hands' lest Israel claim glory for itself against Me saying 'My own hand has saved me.'

I'm I understand this right that by having M in My a capitaized letter it gives meaning of being like God?

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If there ever is a falling from faith and fewer Christians does that mean those who are left were REALLY 100% TRUE Christians.
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Would that be a sign maybe? Like the lord said no one knows the day or the time but the signs we should know.

Could this be one of them can't say YES but I can't say NO?

 

[Saintscruiser]

Are you talking about the rapture or the 2nd Coming?

Your Judges Scripture is basically stating that God didn't need but 300 to go into battle against the Midianites, and that was to His Glory. Like Sarah and Abraham....they were both too old to have a child by the age of their bodies. She got pregnant only by a miracle from God, because they were too old. However, they had to do their part, just like Gideon. Both stories are about faith building. Without them believing that God was telling them the truth, it would have been meaningless. They honestly would have been calling God a liar.

As for the capitalization of pronouns, yes, it's talking about God with respect. That's why I never capitalize satan. He doesn't deserve it!

 

[mightymen]

Are you talking about the rapture or the 2nd Coming?

Now read 2THESSALONIANIAS chap 2 verse 3

 

[Saintscruiser]

I will be addressing this sometime later tonight or tomorrow. I didn't want you to think I was ignoring your post.

 

[Butters80]

That'd be my luck for the end now that I've gotten into dripping the past 3 weeks. Hahaha. Seriously, having been brought up in Christianity and moving towards a more pragmatic/factual(rather than faith) life.... The bible says something to the effect of you will not know the hour. It will happen like a thief in the night.... Enjoy your life. Be a good person, as I'm sure you are. Don't worry.

 

[Fisheeboy]

I'm not yet convinced that there will be any other end time signs other than those that have already been shown. I tend to think that we will not see it coming. I believe we are told to be aware that it is coming and that we should always be ready for it to come but that we will not know when it will come. I am pretty sure it will catch almost everyone off guard. However, I believe that for those of us who have no fear of death and live each day knowing that we have no promise of being here tomorrow are not overly concerned about when the end will come. Do I look forward to the Lord's return? Very much so. But I also enjoy His presence right here, right now in the moment each and every day.
I don't buy into any Dispensational theologies, I don't see Israel any different than any other country as far as the scriptures are concerned, I don't buy into the Rapture theory, or a supposed seven year tribulation.
I'm not looking for any end time signs.
What would it really matter any way if we knew the end would be here in the next 48 hrs? What would I do differently? Try making amends with those I did wrong or those that did me wrong? Start praying more? Asking God for forgiveness? Start questioning my faith? Would I be scared or would I rejoice? Would I try to be a better Christian? Would knowing it was gonna be ending in a matter of hours, days, or years change me or my relationship with God? I ask myself these questions.
Is the end coming? Yes. But I don't think we will see any signs of when it will happen.
I'm not looking for any end time signs.
However, I am always looking for my family. And that is why I come to this part of ECF every day since I was told about it by my sister Jenn. I think I'm somewhat of the black sheep here but you know what they say, every family has at least one.
I love you all and pray that God may bless and continue to bless you all.
I hope no one is offended or takes me the wrong way. I want to be active here but I have to be who I am. So this is me showing you all a little bit more in how my thinker thinks. I know I can come across as antagonistic or controversial but that is not my intention.
If it ever is my intention I will let you know it is.

Yea, amen! Let all adore thee, high on thine eternal throne; Savior take the power and glory, claim the kingdom for thine own: O come quickly; O come quickly; alleluia! Come Lord, come.

 

[Saintscruiser]

If there ever is a falling from faith and fewer Christians does that mean those who are left were REALLY 100% TRUE Christians. - posted by MM.


A falling away from the church is that people are just not interested in going anymore. What comes to my mind, MM, is the parable of the sower - Matthew 13:3-9
New King James Version (NKJV)

3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

1) Fell by the wayside - to me, this is an example of inviting a friend to church, they hear the sermon (message) and they leave the church unchanged.

2) Stony places without much dirt - they took hold, sprang up, but since there were no roots, the sun scorched them and they died. They had an emotional experience and was swayed by satan that it wasn't necessarily the thing to do.

3) Fell among thorns - getting choked out by thorns reminds me of satan getting hold of the person and talking them out of getting truly saved. They are interested, but feel they have a lot of time to do it. It's over before it even starts

4) Fell on good ground - here is the true Christian who is bubbling with overflow and they just can't help telling everyone about Jesus! A crop is produced!

Another point, here is verse #9. Jesus is saying, "LISTEN UP PEOPLE! THIS IS IMPORTANT!"

Some people go to church out of obligation and just don't get past that. They may need the connection for business; because their parents made them go, which is a great thing for parents to do; they are interested in meeting single people there; they think it will elevate their status in the community; etc.

I believe once saved always saved. I was one who 'thought they were saved,' and wasn't. I had great head knowledge and believed I was going to Heaven.......THEN, I met Jesus and found out I was as lost as a goose. Even my son saw the change in me. When he came back to live with me, he told me, "Mom, you didn't turn over a new leaf, you grew a whole new tree." Then one afternoon, since I kept a loaded 2nd Ammendment under the bed, he asked me one time if I'd only wound someone if they broke in and threatened us. I told him that if I pulled a 2nd Ammendment I would do everything to protect us, including shooting to kill. He thought about that and said (this was priceless), "Yeah, I can just see you walking up to the person as they're dying and say, "Do you know Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour?" So I guess you could call me a radically saved individual. PRAISE THE LORD!

 

[mightymen]

If there ever is a falling from faith and fewer Christians does that mean those who are left were REALLY 100% TRUE Christians. - posted by MM.

1) Fell by the wayside - to me, this is an example of inviting a friend to church, they hear the sermon (message) and they leave the church unchanged.

2) Stony places without much dirt - they took hold, sprang up, but since there were no roots, the sun scorched them and they died. They had an emotional experience and was swayed by satan that it wasn't necessarily the thing to do.

3) Fell among thorns - getting choked out by thorns reminds me of satan getting hold of the person and talking them out of getting truly saved. They are interested, but feel they have a lot of time to do it. It's over before it even starts

4) Fell on good ground - here is the true Christian who is bubbling with overflow and they just can't help telling everyone about Jesus! A crop is produced!

Another point, here is verse #9. Jesus is saying, "LISTEN UP PEOPLE! THIS IS IMPORTANT!"

I like the way you put those verses in context brings the meaning out clearly.

"And the Lord said to Gideon' "The people who are with you are too many for Me to give the Midianites into their hands' lest Israel claim glory for itself against Me saying 'My own hand has saved me.'

AMAZON FACTS.
Started with 32000 men and went down to 300 men - and won the battle over 135,000 Midianites.
Here's a link with big print read it here or in Judges 7 Judges 7 - The Battle Against Midian This is easy on the eye's but always confirm its in the SRIPTURES of your BIBLE after all it's the INTENET.

Now where's my VAMO

 

[mightymen]

Off Topic: Little Humor

1. If people who run are runners.
2. If people who smoke cigarettes
3. If people who trust in Christ are Christians

4. Then people who use e-cigs are WHAT ?

 

[Saintscruiser]

Off Topic: Little Humor

1. If people who run are runners.
2. If people who smoke cigarettes
3. If people who trust in Christ are Christians

4. Then people who use e-cigs are WHAT ?

Uhhhhhh.......Exercising Christians who can truly breathe better because they can run further than smokers! (I know I got this wrong, huh.)

 

[Saintscruiser]

I do believe in the rapture because God says so. I am a pre-tribulation person. When Jesus comes to call His children to Him, we meet Him in the air. His feet don't touch the earth and thats why the rapture is not the 2nd Coming. You can read 1 Thess 4 & 5. Jesus will remove the saved from the earth to meet Him in the air. We are being evacuated like from a hurricane. Let's think of it like this: God does not pour out His wrath on His kids. It's like a magnet that only attracts iron...not any other metal. Jesus is the magnet, and we are the iron.....not steel etc. We have the 'get out of the tribulation' card, sort of like Monopoly. We will be attending the Wedding Feast while God pours out His wrath upon the earth and it's people.

From what I have read, it'll be the worse time in history. They want to run and hide from Almighty God instead of getting saved. Scripture states: People run to the mountains and say, "Fall on us, to hide us from the face of Him!" I cannot grasp that thought because I love Him and wouldn't hide from Him. Yeah, I'm not perfect, but I am not afraid of God. I love and respectt Him. Jesus said, "I and the Father are One." I personally, can't wait! Oh it were tonight I'd be so happy!

 

[mightymen]

As for the capitalization of pronouns, yes, it's talking about God with respect. That's why I never capitalize satan. He doesn't deserve it!

I understand what your talking about but for the benefit of those who don't.

When the Bible was printed for everyday man to have the availability to own one which wasn't the practice back around the 1500's/1600's The capital was added in to inform the reader this is God. There is a different meaning in God and god one is HOLY HE IS GOD the other or well you figure it out for yourself.

Never ever capitalization "s" in satan unless his your god.

Not to offend you SS it's not that he doesn't deserve it, he's not GOD! And if any thing his deserving of me writing his name on the bottom of my shoes. By implying deserve it allows for thinking he could be and we know that's not possible for there is one God and always will be and He is everlasting, so all the time in creation doesn't allow for a replacement.

Google - the meaning of writing a name on the bottom of one's shoe.

 

[Saintscruiser]

Not to offend you SS it's not that he doesn't deserve it, he's not GOD! And if any thing his deserving of me writing his name on the bottom of my shoes. By implying deserve it allows for thinking he could be and we know that's not possible for there is one God and always will be and He is everlasting, so all the time in creation doesn't allow for a replacement.

Google - the meaning of writing a name on the bottom of one's shoe. Posted by Mightymen


Good point, MM! What I was thinking was about capitalizing the S because of it being a proper name. There is nothing proper about him. Actually, his original name was lucifer. I'm not going to capitalize that one either.

Our God created him. We have the power to contain him. All we have to do is plug into the Power of Jesu s....like plugging in a lamp and turning it on for illumination. Darkness cannot hide in the light.

 

[blondeambition3]

I'm not yet convinced that there will be any other end time signs other than those that have already been shown. I tend to think that we will not see it coming. I believe we are told to be aware that it is coming and that we should always be ready for it to come but that we will not know when it will come. I am pretty sure it will catch almost everyone off guard. However, I believe that for those of us who have no fear of death and live each day knowing that we have no promise of being here tomorrow are not overly concerned about when the end will come. Do I look forward to the Lord's return? Very much so. But I also enjoy His presence right here, right now in the moment each and every day.
I don't buy into any Dispensational theologies, I don't see Israel any different than any other country as far as the scriptures are concerned, I don't buy into the Rapture theory, or a supposed seven year tribulation.
I'm not looking for any end time signs.
What would it really matter any way if we knew the end would be here in the next 48 hrs? What would I do differently? Try making amends with those I did wrong or those that did me wrong? Start praying more? Asking God for forgiveness? Start questioning my faith? Would I be scared or would I rejoice? Would I try to be a better Christian? Would knowing it was gonna be ending in a matter of hours, days, or years change me or my relationship with God? I ask myself these questions.
Is the end coming? Yes. But I don't think we will see any signs of when it will happen.
I'm not looking for any end time signs.
However, I am always looking for my family. And that is why I come to this part of ECF every day since I was told about it by my sister Jenn. I think I'm somewhat of the black sheep here but you know what they say, every family has at least one.
I love you all and pray that God may bless and continue to bless you all.
I hope no one is offended or takes me the wrong way. I want to be active here but I have to be who I am. So this is me showing you all a little bit more in how my thinker thinks. I know I can come across as antagonistic or controversial but that is not my intention.
If it ever is my intention I will let you know it is.

Yea, amen! Let all adore thee, high on thine eternal throne; Savior take the power and glory, claim the kingdom for thine own: O come quickly; O come quickly; alleluia! Come Lord, come.

I'm inclined to believe like this.... I never used to, but I've read Revelation (especially chapter 20), Danial and Ezekiel many times over and I've found nothing to indicate anything other than Christ's return at the 'last trump'....

No Pre-Trib, Mid Trib or 'left behind' scenarios for me anymore... based on purely 'Scripture' alone... (no preacher's interpretations whatsoever... that's why there's so much confusion).

Read THIS in it's entirety at the Web Site I've posted and 'maybe' some of you will understand why my position is somewhat changed.... (however! I'd love to believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture... and HOPE there is one!)

I see a lot of confusion concerning the "Rapture" and I thought this information may be helpful;


Secret Rapture Truth - Bible Prophecy

The 'key facts' according to the Bible are; (not Preachers!) -

Here are the facts according to Scripture alone:

This event takes place “at the last trump,” not seven years before it.
When this happens, “the trumpet shall sound.” It will be loud, not quiet.
It is not the return of Jesus Christ that takes place in the twinkling of an eye.
Rather, it is the changing of the bodies of believers from mortality to immortality.
Thus, 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 does not teach the idea of vanishing Christians at all. Rather, it reveals a loud return of Jesus Christ during the final sounding of the last trumpet and the “instant” transformation of believers into immortality at the end of the world.



Here is the situation NOW as I understood it;

We're ALREADY living in the end times...

The (lukewarm) Church of Laodicea is in full force.....

Christ has already 'sealed the Covenant' which many preach the Anti-Christ in end times is going to do....

Daniel 9:27: “By offering himself a sacrifice once and for all he [Jesus] shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.” [1] Thus Matthew Henry applied Daniel 9:27 to Christ, not Antichrist.

I recommend everyone 'study' and 'read' all of the Scriptures regarding to the 'end times' and 'see' for themselves.

It's fascinating!

 

[Saintscruiser]

No prophecies need to be fulfilled for the taking away of the church, Jesus' bride. I just can't imagine Jesus pouring out His wrath on His bride before the Wedding Feast. What loving Groom would do that? Time will tell. It's not that I am trying to talk you into anything.......I just wish for you to have the peace of the Lord concerning this issue.

 

[blondeambition3]

No prophecies need to be fulfilled for the taking away of the church, Jesus' bride. I just can't imagine Jesus pouring out His wrath on His bride before the Wedding Feast. What loving Groom would do that? Time will tell. It's not that I am trying to talk you into anything.......I just wish for you to have the peace of the Lord concerning this issue.

No Sissy, that's the 'good news'.... The "Church" will indeed be gone... because you ARE definitely right... Christ isn't going to be preparing Mansions for bloody, beaten up Brides... at the last Trump, when we're 'caught up' (transformed in the twinkling of an eye), happens BEFORE all of that.... which could happen any time now as there's nothing left that needs to be fulfilled in order for that to happen.

The Scripture, as "I" understand it, and have been studying it, however, indicates 'no left behind' scenarios, and nothing left to happen 'except' Christ coming any second and the Earth THEN going into full immediate destruction.... that the 'saved' need not fear.

IF all of this doesn't lead to you having the same understanding as mine Cuz', that's not an issue with me either, because you're Saved...... and! because 'my' understanding isn't all that solid either and I could definitely be wrong and missed something somewhere.... that's one of the biggest reasons I'm so devoted to 'end times' study.... because there is so much mis/disinformation about it, and I feel that the Holy Spirit has really burdened me with it.

Paul wrote in this well known passage and the following five consecutive verses, “For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write to you. For yourselves know that the day of the Lord so cometh like a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then cometh sudden destruction upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But you brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16 - 5:4).

So here Paul gives the real rapture truth, Jesus comes down from heaven, true believers are caught up together, and sudden destruction comes upon the lost. All of this takes place on “that day,” which is “the day of the Lord.”

 

[Saintscruiser]

I do believe we are on the same page. Cool. I'm still learning this myself and I've been studying end time prophesy for 29 years! After I got saved, I followed a pattern of what was happening at the time...new age was really getting popular, but the Christians, in my family, looked at me like I had 4 legs. They just couldn't believe it. And it being taught in schools? No way. It's a good thing that eating crow has no calories. (I should know.....I've eaten tons of them!) When our pastor preached on it, THEN they believed me. It wasn't that I was smarter, I had just read books on it, compared the Scriptures, and my mouth fell to the floor. Then I progressed into the Book of Revelation. Back to me having 4 legs. Maybe they weren't ready to study it. I've been studying it for years. There is always something that sticks out to me that hadn't before. That's what I love about Scripture. Everytime I read, I learn a new facet of Almighty God. I've got at least 2,000,000 more to go!

 

[blondeambition3]

I do believe we are on the same page. Cool. I'm still learning this myself and I've been studying end time prophesy for 29 years! After I got saved, I followed a pattern of what was happening at the time...new age was really getting popular, but the Christians, in my family, looked at me like I had 4 legs. They just couldn't believe it. And it being taught in schools? No way. It's a good thing that eating crow has no calories. (I should know.....I've eaten tons of them!) When our pastor preached on it, THEN they believed me. It wasn't that I was smarter, I had just read books on it, compared the Scriptures, and my mouth fell to the floor. Then I progressed into the Book of Revelation. Back to me having 4 legs. Maybe they weren't ready to study it. I've been studying it for years. There is always something that sticks out to me that hadn't before. That's what I love about Scripture. Every time I read, I learn a new facet of Almighty God. I've got at least 2,000,000 more to go!

Every time I read, I learn a new facet of Almighty God. I've got at least 2,000,000 more to go!

You sure got that right and me too Cuz... me too!!!!!

 

[rc3po]

I do believe in the rapture because God says so. I am a pre-tribulation person. When Jesus comes to call His children to Him, we meet Him in the air. His feet don't touch the earth and thats why the rapture is not the 2nd Coming. You can read 1 Thess 4 & 5. Jesus will remove the saved from the earth to meet Him in the air. We are being evacuated like from a hurricane. Let's think of it like this: God does not pour out His wrath on His kids. It's like a magnet that only attracts iron...not any other metal. Jesus is the magnet, and we are the iron.....not steel etc. We have the 'get out of the tribulation' card, sort of like Monopoly. We will be attending the Wedding Feast while God pours out His wrath upon the earth and it's people.

From what I have read, it'll be the worse time in history. They want to run and hide from Almighty God instead of getting saved. Scripture states: People run to the mountains and say, "Fall on us, to hide us from the face of Him!" I cannot grasp that thought because I love Him and wouldn't hide from Him. Yeah, I'm not perfect, but I am not afraid of God. I love and respectt Him. Jesus said, "I and the Father are One." I personally, can't wait! Oh it were tonight I'd be so happy!

The tribulation is satans wrath, not God's. God's wrath comes after the 7th Trump. How can the anti-Christ murder and imprison Christians for their testimony if they are not here on earth during the tribulation? Some Christians will be hidden in the "wilderness" from the anti-Christ during the tribulation, but the Bible isn't very specific about it. The 7 vials of God's wrath come after the tribulation and is poured out on those that received the mark of the beast.
The main sign will be the ministry of the 2 witnesses of God. Scripture in Revelation Chapter 11 gives us very specific signs so that the whole world will know them. After the ministry of the 2 witnesses, there will be NO excuse for anyone to be in dis-belief of Scripture - that's why there will be NO forgiveness for anyone that takes the mark of the beast.

 

[Saintscruiser]

The tribulation is satans wrath, not God's. God's wrath comes after the 7th Trump. How can the anti-Christ murder and imprison Christians for their testimony if they are not here on earth during the tribulation? Some Christians will be hidden in the "wilderness" from the anti-Christ during the tribulation, but the Bible isn't very specific about it. The 7 vials of God's wrath come after the tribulation and is poured out on those that received the mark of the beast.
The main sign will be the ministry of the 2 witnesses of God. Scripture in Revelation Chapter 11 gives us very specific signs so that the whole world will know them. After the ministry of the 2 witnesses, there will be NO excuse for anyone to be in dis-belief of Scripture - that's why there will be NO forgiveness for anyone that takes the mark of the beast.

Well, I can see why you say that, but it all starts out with Jesus opening up the 7 Seals. He controls it. He controls it from day 1. Now 3 1/2 years into the 7 year period, satan and his gang gets kicked out of heaven permanently! Many people don't know that he's still allowed into heaven to accuse the saints to God's face.....like satan did with Job. I have no idea why He has allowed this to go on, but it stops 3 1/2 years in.....for good....and I say AMEN! satan goes nuts. This is where his wrath goes nutso. As if the first 3 1/2 years weren't bad enough, here's where satan really begins his wrath. It will be the worse time on earth ..... ever.