Eroll problems - Burnt taste... attomizers turning liquid dark brown after a few days... What am i doing wrong?

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patkin

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The technical term is "gunk" LOL. Its what happens when a thick, dark, juice cakes up on the atty creating a burnt ashy taste. Soaking in at least 80 proof vodka should remove it especially if you can soak overnight and flush as I describe below. But, you may have to dry burn anyway. A better way to dry burn is to put the spike plate back on and either "stove pipe" meaning just put the cone back on and suck on that or insert an empty tank to do it with. Just pulling on it with no juice will dry burn it... much safer than confusing the battery as you've described. Of course don't inhale anything while doing this. Also, there's a small hole on the bottom of the atty. If you have a syring, gently insert it in that hole and push a full syringe (usually 3 mls) of alchohol thru it to flush out the ash created by dry burning.... or remove the spike plate again and flush direct on the coil with the syringe. You should see bits of ash in the bowl you have the alcohol soak in.

The eroll atty is a super good one. Its the same one used in the ego batteries and ecabs. The only solution to your problem other than trying thinning which I don't think is the answer following your later discoveries, is another juice. Any atty, including the one used in the eroll, will not handle thick, dark, juice without frequent cleaning... like everyday with some. There is no sugar in juice.. an automatic atty killer... but the flavoring itself is the problem. For instance, some vanillas are a problem and cola has lots of that in it. I DIY and have searched for a vanilla that won't gunk up atties. They are super dark just like the stuff used in baking and that's what gunks the atty. Being located in the UK, I can't suggest a vendor with strong flavors but there's a UK subforum here where someone may know some your side of the pond.

I suggest the ego c, variable voltage or not, t or ecab to go bigger. I use ego c passthroughs and love them. Many people like the Twist for its variable voltage. These are not the big bazooka type PVs.

PS: I use clear, light, juices and have never had gunk on my atties. One time I got a few specks of ash flushing but that's it. As for flavor... its not just the eroll. Any system that uses a tank or clearomizer will suffer loss of flavor. The only tank system that doesn't is the kind that uses a punched cartomizer inside the tank. Other than that, not to loose flavor, go with a cartomizer or drip directly on an atty.
 
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maybe.thiswill help, maybe not, but i put on a new atty today soaked and presoaked it and later puffed away getting the same burnt tastes, then i tryd someyhing revolutionary...

long steady light drags, much like hitting a "pipe" or "hitter, it was very quick that the burnt taste whentaway
just vape it like a 3.7 volt mod... even though.its not a mod it IS 3.7v hard drags are not your friend with the eroll,

this i have noticed, light long smooth drags not heavy hitting drags, also a hard quick "prime puff helps soak before.your drag if you drag a half second hard you can see the bubbles bubblin up,, your in business
i find vaping this thing is a technique more than anything that and heavy on the flavorings

this helped with me anyway my 2c
 
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maybe.thiswill help, maybe not, but i put on a new atty today soaked and presoaked it and later puffed away getting the same burnt tastes, then i tryd someyhing revolutionary...

long steady light drags, much like hitting a "pipe" or "hitter, it was very quick that the burnt taste whentaway
just vape it like a 3.7 volt mod... even though.its not a mod it IS 3.7v hard drags are not your friend with the eroll,

this i have noticed, light long smooth drags not heavy hitting drags, also a hard quick "prime puff helps soak before.your drag if you drag a half second hard you can see the bubbles bubblin up,, your in business
i find vaping this thing is a technique more than anything that and heavy on the flavorings

this helped with me anyway my 2c

Will give it a try :) cheers

The technical term is "gunk" LOL. Its what happens when a thick, dark, juice cakes up on the atty creating a burnt ashy taste. Soaking in at least 80 proof vodka should remove it especially if you can soak overnight and flush as I describe below. But, you may have to dry burn anyway. A better way to dry burn is to put the spike plate back on and either "stove pipe" meaning just put the cone back on and suck on that or insert an empty tank to do it with. Just pulling on it with no juice will dry burn it... much safer than confusing the battery as you've described. Of course don't inhale anything while doing this. Also, there's a small hole on the bottom of the atty. If you have a syring, gently insert it in that hole and push a full syringe (usually 3 mls) of alchohol thru it to flush out the ash created by dry burning.... or remove the spike plate again and flush direct on the coil with the syringe. You should see bits of ash in the bowl you have the alcohol soak in.

The eroll atty is a super good one. Its the same one used in the ego batteries and ecabs. The only solution to your problem other than trying thinning which I don't think is the answer following your later discoveries, is another juice. Any atty, including the one used in the eroll, will not handle thick, dark, juice without frequent cleaning... like everyday with some. There is no sugar in juice.. an automatic atty killer... but the flavoring itself is the problem. For instance, some vanillas are a problem and cola has lots of that in it. I DIY and have searched for a vanilla that won't gunk up atties. They are super dark just like the stuff used in baking and that's what gunks the atty. Being located in the UK, I can't suggest a vendor with strong flavors but there's a UK subforum here where someone may know some your side of the pond.

I suggest the ego c, variable voltage or not, t or ecab to go bigger. I use ego c passthroughs and love them. Many people like the Twist for its variable voltage. These are not the big bazooka type PVs.

PS: I use clear, light, juices and have never had gunk on my atties. One time I got a few specks of ash flushing but that's it. As for flavor... its not just the eroll. Any system that uses a tank or clearomizer will suffer loss of flavor. The only tank system that doesn't is the kind that uses a punched cartomizer inside the tank. Other than that, not to loose flavor, go with a cartomizer or drip directly on an atty.

Soaked a dodgey atty today in vodka for 3 hours, then cleaned it off, then attempted a dry burn, and it seemed to clear half of the coil, could see the metal colour on the left side, but the other side was still black! Soaked it again in vodka, let it all dry off, and then re-assembled and it's working fine now! Am going to use a completely different brand apple e-liquid for the next week constantly monitoring any eliquid discolouring and check the atty after to see whether there are improvements with this different eliquid!

Thank you very much patkin, you've been a lot of help throughout all of this, and i think we may have got to the bottom of this now!!

Very impressed by the response on this forum, and am amazed by how helpful and knowledgable everyone is!

Think I'll stick around on this forum! Seems like a very nice place to find out more about these amazing inventions! Will be helpful in me decided where to go for a new bigger, more powerful brother to get for my e-roll!
 

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My guess is that it is the juice. Some juices can clog the wick. That causes the wick to act like a filter and/or plug. The wick is not one direction, so it will seep the juice back into the tank if you lay the eroll on its side. That is discoloration you are seeing, some of the burnt sediments from where the wick meets the coil.

As the wick ages it will need to be cleaned more often. I pretty sure the cleaning will work for you.
 

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My guess is that it is the juice. Some juices can clog the wick. That causes the wick to act like a filter and/or plug. The wick is not one direction, so it will seep the juice back into the tank if you lay the eroll on its side. That is discoloration you are seeing, some of the burnt sediments from where the wick meets the coil.

As the wick ages it will need to be cleaned more often. I pretty sure the cleaning will work for you.

I'm currently 2 days in to using a different "thinner" e-liquid, having cleaned the atty like instructed by some people in this thread.

I'm fairly sure it was an issue with the e-liquid, as although now on day 2 there is a SLIGHTLY darker hue to that left in the tank, this is NOTHING compared to how it was before. I plan to stick with this liquid for a full week, and see where i am then with regards to the liquid colouring. I'll also take apart the atty and see how much dirt is in there in comparison to the one i checked and cleaned using the previous cola liquid! Will post up the results on here for the reference of anyone who may run into similar issues!

I think either way from now on I'll definitely be cleaning my atty each week, now that i know how to do it properly, and also what problems/symptoms are caused by a poorly maintained one!

Looks like im now stuck with 75ml of cola liquid that is useless to me though!! May hold it back and use it as an excuse to expedite my purchase of a more powerful ecig :)
 

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i just thought of this ta try,

you know how pbusardo on youtube talks and teaches youse how ta take the "top" silca wick(s) out of a kanger protank atomizer...

you know, open er up and take out one of the 2 extra wicks sitting atop the protank coil assembly?...

why not try it here, on a brand new atty... or used! when/ if you take out the wick in the spike there is a lil metal? foam ring atop it, kinda holding it together... why not or if possible take out or "thin" out the existing silca fibers in that wick?!

dunno if this will help the feeding/soaking issues these that seem to plauge these coils an such but whats the worst that can happen? gurgle? over saturation? thats kinda what most people are after, is ta get rid of the dryness/harshness of the vape,

i dunno i maybe on ta something, iama try it out soon though i have some atties that need cleanin...

if ya try it lemme know your experiances,
 

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i just thought of this ta try,

you know how pbusardo on youtube talks and teaches youse how ta take the "top" silca wick(s) out of a kanger protank atomizer...

you know, open er up and take out one of the 2 extra wicks sitting atop the protank coil assembly?...

why not try it here, on a brand new atty... or used! when/ if you take out the wick in the spike there is a lil metal? foam ring atop it, kinda holding it together... why not or if possible take out or "thin" out the existing silca fibers in that wick?!

dunno if this will help the feeding/soaking issues these that seem to plauge these coils an such but whats the worst that can happen? gurgle? over saturation? thats kinda what most people are after, is ta get rid of the dryness/harshness of the vape,

i dunno i maybe on ta something, iama try it out soon though i have some atties that need cleanin...

if ya try it lemme know your experiances,

So do you mean essentially just making the wick that feeds through the spike thinner to improve flow to the coil?

One of the attys i cleaned and have been using for the past couple of days ive just had to abandon, as it seemed to have flow issues! I had to tap it to get the bubbles to start to appear in the tank, to know that the juice was flowing back into the atty! So if that is what you're suggesting, that sounds like a very good idea!! Would probably give a lot stronger vape!

Plan to get some vodka and clean 4 attys in a few days time, so will give this a go with one of them!!

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In other news, as an update to this thread and the initial issue, changing e-liquid does seem to have solved the bulk of the issue! It now only starts to discolour after maybe 4-5 days, and from the advice in this thread, i now know that when this happens.... to just switch out, and use a cleaned atty, and that gives me another 4 days of care free vaping!

Plan to buy some Deekang e-liquid in my next order, as from what ive read, this liquid is meant to be quite light and easy-flowing, so should hopefully not clog up the atty as much!
 

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I've had this issue; I'm too lazy to clean my attys (I just throw 'em out), and so a clean-burning juice is a must for me. May I:
(a) Recommend Volcano's Cherry Lava as a liquid which does not clog these attys
(b) Warn you away from Volcano's Sweet Tart liquid; Before I got through 10ml, I had to replace both attys (I have a 2-eroll setup at the moment).
 

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I've had this issue; I'm too lazy to clean my attys (I just throw 'em out), and so a clean-burning juice is a must for me. May I:
(a) Recommend Volcano's Cherry Lava as a liquid which does not clog these attys
(b) Warn you away from Volcano's Sweet Tart liquid; Before I got through 10ml, I had to replace both attys (I have a 2-eroll setup at the moment).

Cherry would be too sickly for me!! couldnt stand that every day, especially with the lava element.... makes it sound spicey!!

Would be handy to know the proportions of PG/VG in each of the flavours you mention (if you still have the bottles), to see if there is any difference between the two, and the ingredients, to see whether the cause of the gunking can be better narrowed down. Unless it is just up to the suggary nature Id imagine sweet tart liquid would have!!
 
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