Exhaled Vapor - Safe for kids?

[Creniker]

OP asked (in his/her first ever post on the forum) "Is the exhaled vapor safe for kids to be around?"

Short answer: We honestly don't know for sure, yet, but we generally believe the risk to be minimal, given all the other stuff we breathe in daily.

Sorry if this is a noob question.

You may be a noob, but it is a question many of us have asked themselves at one point or another, so I say it was an excellent question. Only time will tell us the correct answer, unfortunately! Welcome to ECF!

Now that's being objective! Thanks Pinky!

 

[Nova Sphere]

I took a look an some data from gas chromatography on sveral brands of ejuice. There we some interesting results when you look and the indication of the data listed.

For the clouds tested, based on expected concentration of liquid (listed as "regular, low etc.), the repective percentage of nicotine present is much higher than in liquid form.

If a bottle is 36mg/mL, then its 3.6% by volume. The percentage for "regular" (likely 2.4% liquid form) is 8.5% As a weak undergrad just getting my feet wet, I would get the percentage of vaporized nicotine is higher than some or all other ingredients of e juice solution. This "increase" in cnesentration percentage explains a number of anecdotal questions I have had for a while about dosing, absorption etc.

The point I raise here is that proximity to the little one while vaping appears to be a bad idea. The needed information is a ratio expressing how much secondhand vapor is inhaled when the secondhand vaper is very close.

I'm no expert, but the suggestion I would make is to have your kids out of arms reach, or to not be vaping.

I keep mine securely locked, with my ground coffee and soda pop!

 

[carpedebass]

What the hell? If people don't want to vape or smoke in front of their kids why do others care? Geeze.

Meh, you're good in my book Spazzy! Sometimes I wish the 50s would come back so people would stop minding everyone else's business. Hey, I've heard about the 50s.

 

[P1NkY]

Now that's being objective! Thanks Pinky!

You're welcome, buddy!
I just hope we haven't scared the OP off the forum!

 

[mangoon]

2 children under 3 in the house. I do vape in the house with them just not in the same room. Im def not from the treat your children like they live in a bubble mindset but to each his own.

Now more importantly- should I start the 2 and a half year old out with the volt or go big guns and get her an e-power

 

[P1NkY]

2 children under 3 in the house. I do vape in the house with them just not in the same room. Im def not from the treat your children like they live in a bubble mindset but to each his own.

Now more importantly- should I start the 2 and a half year old out with the volt or go big guns and get her an e-power

Did a double-take... ROFFLECOPTERS!!!

 

[carpedebass]

Now more importantly- should I start the 2 and a half year old out with the volt or go big guns and get her an e-power

I vote for the ePower.

 

[GIMike]

I'm no expert, but the suggestion I would make is to have your kids out of arms reach, or to not be vaping.

So what you're saying is that 2nd hand vape is deadlier than 1st hand vape and that it is worse than cigarette smoking altogether? I'm not sure I follow your logic there...

 

[mol]

as opposed to cigarette SMOKE? Not saying its healthy but my girl went from a pack a day to vapeing like a fiend and after a week she lost the morning cigarette hacking. she din not notice until i told her

 

[Animation-Imp]

All health issues let aside,
I wouldn't smoke or vape near my daughter because I don't want her to accept it as normal.
She wants to do anything daddy does...

 

[holdsteady]

I am new to all this, but I can't imagine vapour being dangerous, even with trace amounts of nicotine.

 

[Credo]

I am new to all this, but I can't imagine vapour being dangerous, even with trace amounts of nicotine.

I honestly don't know, but they probably get more nicotine from eating vegetables.
Many plants besides tobacco use it (or other/similar natural concoctions) as an insect repellent.

 

[Spazmelda]

I honestly don't know, but they probably get more nicotine from eating vegetables.
Many plants besides tobacco use it (or other/similar natural concoctions) as an insect repellent.

Your kids eat vegetables?!?!

LOL, just kidding.

 

[Credo]

Your kids eat vegetables?!?!

LOL, just kidding.

Hey, it might be one reason veggies don't taste so good to kids

 

[Spazmelda]

Did you ever see the episode of The Simpsons where they engineered tomatoes to taste like cigarettes? The called them Tomacco, or something like that. The little stupid kid (Ralph?) eats one and says something like, "It tastes like Grandma.... I want more!"

The Simpsons Season 11 Episode 5 – E-I-E-I-D

17 minutes in

 

[carpedebass]

Did you ever see the episode of The Simpsons where they engineered tomatoes to taste like cigarettes? The called them Tomacco, or something like that. The little stupid kid (Ralph?) eats one and says something like, "It tastes like Grandma.... I want more!"

The Simpsons Season 11 Episode 5 – E-I-E-I-D

17 minutes in

DOH! That's all I have to say about that!

 

[chik]

I have also been wondering if this will have any effects on my daughter.

 

[shanagan]

I wouldn't worry so much about the devil you see (so to speak, nicotine) as the devil you don't - flavorings are safe for ingestion, but many (diacetyl, 2,3 pentanedione, hexanedione, etc.) are proven unsafe to heat and inhale as vapor. (Google them/search them here at ECF.) We don't know at what amounts they are safe/potentially safe, if any, and I'd strongly consider that while our lungs are fully developed, children's lungs have a lot of development to do until they're adults. I'd probably google some combination of lung development/function/pollution before deciding for yourself whether you want your kids exposed to whatever we're exhaling. (Not so concerned about PG/VG or nicotine, honestly, as much as the flavorings.)

 

[swedishfish]

I wouldn't worry so much about the devil you see (so to speak, nicotine) as the devil you don't - flavorings are safe for ingestion, but many (diacetyl, 2,3 pentanedione, hexanedione, etc.) are proven unsafe to heat and inhale as vapor. (Google them/search them here at ECF.) We don't know at what amounts they are safe/potentially safe, if any, and I'd strongly consider that while our lungs are fully developed, children's lungs have a lot of development to do until they're adults. I'd probably google some combination of lung development/function/pollution before deciding for yourself whether you want your kids exposed to whatever we're exhaling. (Not so concerned about PG/VG or nicotine, honestly, as much as the flavorings.)

Do you have any links or information about the amount of flavoring that's in exhaled vapor and the amount it would take to do any sort of damage to a child or in the form of second hand smoke/vape?

 

[shanagan]

Do you have any links or information about the amount of flavoring that's in exhaled vapor and the amount it would take to do any sort of damage to a child or in the form of second hand smoke/vape?

No, which is exactly the problem. As I stated, we just don't know at what amounts they might be safe/unsafe. We can google diacetyl lung damage in mice or factory workers all we want, but it still doesn't tell us how many parts-per-million we're inhaling, or exhaling for that matter. It's kind of a shame, because one vendor who was pretty defensive about his diacetyl-containing liquids claimed that they'd be testing their juices with the University of Arizona, but it doesn't seem that anything came of that.

But the bigger problem might be that we've started to look at diacetyl with a critical eye, based on past performance of the substance, but we're all the guinea pigs when it comes to every other flavor that we're inhaling.

Which isn't to say they're safe or unsafe - just that it's truly a variable to which we should be paying some attention.