This is actually a really good conversation, and one my wife and I have been talking about, I am glad I found this. We would smoke outside the house as we have 4 children and just didn't want them to live in our smoke I guess, but now that I have been vaping my wife and kids all agree that even when they do smell anything at all it is a pleasant smell that disappears quite fast. Just looking at all the facts I can not help but believe vaping is no where near even being able to be compared to smoking around my kids. Thats just my 2 cents though.
Exhaled Vapor - Safe for kids?
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To be on the safe side, I wouldn't blow it in their direction. It should be safer than smoking, if you're in the same room as them, since vapour doesn't travel as far in the air as smoke does. It's still always best to be on the safe side, and keep a bit of distance if you are still worried.
Propylene glycol has been a controversial chemical for some time, especially since Ecigs appeared on the market. There are certain iisues with PG that people bring up to make a point that it is not safe. For instance, PG in cat food has been linked to anemia in cats, but there's not issue with dogs, humans, or other animals. You will find the cat anemia articles quoted when people want to strike out against Ecigs.
PG is used in over 4000 products that we eat, apply to our skin, and it's used in antifreeze simply because ethylene glycol was deathly toxic to animals that found the sweet taste nice to drink ... and then they got sick and some died. People would leave it out after draining their radiator and refilling it with antifreeze. Dogs would lick it up off the concrete where it was spilled.
PG is in the liquid you drink from a snow-cone and it's in many fruity, syrupy drinks we buy in bottles as a thickener. It's in baby wipes and lotions, and salad dressings. You can't get away from consuming PG in daily life. It's in the fog juice used in fog machines at a play or concert. It's in your shampoo and toothpaste.
Do we think the FDA would allow all this if there was a question on its safety? Well, not if they found diethylene glycol in one bottle of shampoo. You would see the news agencies publicizing a particular brand that contained DEG and banning it. DEG is poisonous ... PG is not.
This is a good article about the safety of PG.
Propylene Glycol : FAQ about propylene glycol
PG is used in over 4000 products that we eat, apply to our skin, and it's used in antifreeze simply because ethylene glycol was deathly toxic to animals that found the sweet taste nice to drink ... and then they got sick and some died. People would leave it out after draining their radiator and refilling it with antifreeze. Dogs would lick it up off the concrete where it was spilled.
PG is in the liquid you drink from a snow-cone and it's in many fruity, syrupy drinks we buy in bottles as a thickener. It's in baby wipes and lotions, and salad dressings. You can't get away from consuming PG in daily life. It's in the fog juice used in fog machines at a play or concert. It's in your shampoo and toothpaste.
Do we think the FDA would allow all this if there was a question on its safety? Well, not if they found diethylene glycol in one bottle of shampoo. You would see the news agencies publicizing a particular brand that contained DEG and banning it. DEG is poisonous ... PG is not.
This is a good article about the safety of PG.
Propylene Glycol : FAQ about propylene glycol
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**edit** I hope you and your kids travel by human power bicycles everywhere you go. Cause gasoline powered cars are putting out more child-killing toxic gases than any e-cig could ever hope of. If you're "green" and don't believe in gasoline powered and only drive your hybrid/electric car....you wanna talk about battery failure? In comparison, one of those cars would be like Hiroshima, while your ecig would be more like an airsoft bb gun
well gi mike....sorry to dissapoint you....but your hopes have been dashed...we travel by 3/4 ton crew cab chevy...i am a welder and machinist. . we live on 11 acers, kill almost everything that moves(no bb guns, we are all proficent with ar15's) and the only electric car we have is radio controlled. you must also consider that using e-cigs around kids may make them want to use nicotine products one day, as there is no bad smell and they look cool. so while around my kids i treat e-cigs like cigaretts. why take time to be so negative towards others on the forums, it doesnt help anybody. i wish the best for you.
well gi mike....sorry to dissapoint you....but your hopes have been dashed...we travel by 3/4 ton crew cab chevy...i am a welder and machinist. . we live on 11 acers, kill almost everything that moves(no bb guns, we are all proficent with ar15's) and the only electric car we have is radio controlled. you must also consider that using e-cigs around kids may make them want to use nicotine products one day, as there is no bad smell and they look cool. so while around my kids i treat e-cigs like cigaretts. why take time to be so negative towards others on the forums, it doesnt help anybody. i wish the best for you.
Maybe but why are those impressionable minds so eager to use crack and ....?
So you can teach your kids about gun saftey and how to kill, but you can't teach them the rights and wrongs of ecigs? Your kids are going to make their own choices when they grow up no matter what you do. If you try to hide things from them, they're just going to learn about them somewhere else and probably from somebody who is going to tell them what they want to hear, not what you'd would have said. The best you can do is try to teach your kids as much as you can about what's right and what's wrong, and hope they make the right choices. You can try to hide whatever you want, that's your right, but I'm sure your kids know more than you think they do.
I care because the irony is that I've never had a PEER or ADULT be rude and obnoxious to me over what I do in my time and space. Sometimes an adult will say something like, "Would you mind not smoking here please? Thanks."
Kids on the other hand are taught in their schools and whatnot that they can judge people loudly, harshly, and blatantly, jump up and down and cry abuse, point to ban signs, and just bully folks around. Children can look through my car window and see a pack of cigs and shout all over town like little Nazi youth that an evil 'smoker' lurks nearby. Why was the child even near the car to begin with? That's what I want to know......why is there an 'abuse button' against EVERYTHING adults do these days. Enough is enough...we need an 'abuse the abuse button button'.
Fair enough, but *I* didn't do any of these things to you and neither did my kids. I posted earlier in this thread that I don't vape in front of my kids, and a gave a brief justification for why I don't. Apparently now I am a overprotective brain-damaged helicopter parent who wraps her kids in bubble wrap and never lets them experience life. Quite a lot to deduce from one choice I have made.
I can not vape in front of my kids for MY own reasons and still be a logical and reasonable person who is not trying to intrude on your rights in any way. If you expect people to respect your decisions, try to respect theirs.
I know many of the above comments were not directly to me personally, but as someone who has CHOSEN not to vape in front of her kids it kind of sucks to see my choice ridiculed when I did not pass judgement on anyone else here.
Great points, I think it's your decision, your kids, and your home
Not brain damaged or overprotective at all. People are just sharing opinions, for better or worse?
Some of us just want to debate and bring up points from different perspectives. Not so much be judgmental.
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I don't. My B.S. meter goes off when someone new to vaping criticizes what other smokers do around their own kids.
Did you read about the guy that went through a McD's drive through with a cig and they refused to serve him?
I post or used to at a fitness forum and that was applauded by everyone there! Someone there even posting that they saw a guy driving a bread truck smoking! And what should they do about it!! Several posters told them they should call the company because they're bread was being contaminated.
This is what's seriously going on out there. This is why I'm saying people need to get off their high horse a bit. Non-smokers currently don't see a distinction. We might but they don't.
Gone are the days when we were happy if the chefs ashes didn't drop on our burger.
I've never smoked. I'm borderline asthmatic, and it's just not an option. Even vaping puts a little stress on the lungs. The nicotine buzz is alluring though, so since buying digital for my wife's brother, and her taking up vaping, well, I'm hooked. I go through a cartomizer every 3 days or so...
Personally, I avoid vaping around the kids. Not because of health concerns, but because of my desire to not alert my kids to my new habit. I have no health concerns because I'm confident that the amount of nicotine that they may be exposed to is negligible and likely far less harmful than inhaling the outside air. I have read that we absorb 50-80% of the nicotine inhaled while vaping, so content is halved. When the vapor is exhaled, it dilutes dramatically as the vapor dissipates.
Would I vape in a closed room with them for an hour? No. I wouldn't even do that alone. Would I vape for 20 minutes before they entered a well ventilated room prior to their entry? Sure. Would I put out about 100 puffs daily in the volume of a 2,300 sq-ft house? Sure.
Lastly, I think I have a built-in alarm system. I am hooked on Vaporbomb's French Vanilla. When my daughter asks, "why does it smell like a candle in here?" after visiting the bedroom while my wife and I are vaping and watching TV, I know I've had enough.
Personally, I avoid vaping around the kids. Not because of health concerns, but because of my desire to not alert my kids to my new habit. I have no health concerns because I'm confident that the amount of nicotine that they may be exposed to is negligible and likely far less harmful than inhaling the outside air. I have read that we absorb 50-80% of the nicotine inhaled while vaping, so content is halved. When the vapor is exhaled, it dilutes dramatically as the vapor dissipates.
Would I vape in a closed room with them for an hour? No. I wouldn't even do that alone. Would I vape for 20 minutes before they entered a well ventilated room prior to their entry? Sure. Would I put out about 100 puffs daily in the volume of a 2,300 sq-ft house? Sure.
Lastly, I think I have a built-in alarm system. I am hooked on Vaporbomb's French Vanilla. When my daughter asks, "why does it smell like a candle in here?" after visiting the bedroom while my wife and I are vaping and watching TV, I know I've had enough.
If you're just vaping for fun but don't want anybody to know so you try your best to hide it from the world, that's your choice. I don't think you'll find any serious smoker who smoked 1 PAD or more that hid their habit from the world. It gets kind of impossible to do so when you're truely addicted. We're the ones who are glad that we don't have to worry about harming other people and ourselves any longer because we found a way off of analogs. But we were also people who smoked around others because we more or less had to in order to get the nicotine that our body needed. For somebody who smoked 1/2 PAD or less to tell somebody who smoked 2 PAD how they should be vaping is kinda ignorant if you ask me. That's like somebody who drinks once a month telling an alcoholic to stop drinking, cause if they can do it, the alcoholic can do it too. Just seems ignorant to me....
I would not vape near kids just for the sake of not showing them the acceptability of smoking. I wouldn't vape if I didn't smoke first...
I think that this got a bit out of hand and I want to make a few points. Please know I am not bashing on anyone.
This is America. We talk about smoking bans, and who has the right to tell us when to smoke and when not to. We talk about possible health problems with vaping. We talk about a lot of stuff. But lets try to keep this in mind. Just like there in conclusive relation to second hand smoke and caner, there is no conclusive evidence to support that vaping is safe or unsafe. We just don't know. Does it make you a bad parent if your "willing to take the risk"? No. Does it make you a super nazi parent if you don't want to expose your child to something you have no idea whether it is healthy or not. No. But lets agree on one thing. Everyone was raised and raises there kids differently. I was spanked as a child, and I feel that now that I am an adult, it was for the better. Some people are never spanked, and can turn out just as fine. My grandfather smoked inside when my mother was a child, and she has no signs of lung cancer at all 40 years later. The same my not be true for someone else. Do what you feel is right for yourself and your family. And in discussion forums like this, lets try to be objective. If someone ask for your advice, give it with a grain of salt (whatever that means). And if someone else does something different then you move on. You can state why you choose to do what you do, but lets stay away from bringing disagreements on why others choose to do what they do. This just leads to more arguments. I choose to vape inside because I feel comfortable with what I'm doing. Some may choose to not vape in front of there children because they are not comfortable doing so.
The only person that knows what you should do, is you.
This is America. We talk about smoking bans, and who has the right to tell us when to smoke and when not to. We talk about possible health problems with vaping. We talk about a lot of stuff. But lets try to keep this in mind. Just like there in conclusive relation to second hand smoke and caner, there is no conclusive evidence to support that vaping is safe or unsafe. We just don't know. Does it make you a bad parent if your "willing to take the risk"? No. Does it make you a super nazi parent if you don't want to expose your child to something you have no idea whether it is healthy or not. No. But lets agree on one thing. Everyone was raised and raises there kids differently. I was spanked as a child, and I feel that now that I am an adult, it was for the better. Some people are never spanked, and can turn out just as fine. My grandfather smoked inside when my mother was a child, and she has no signs of lung cancer at all 40 years later. The same my not be true for someone else. Do what you feel is right for yourself and your family. And in discussion forums like this, lets try to be objective. If someone ask for your advice, give it with a grain of salt (whatever that means). And if someone else does something different then you move on. You can state why you choose to do what you do, but lets stay away from bringing disagreements on why others choose to do what they do. This just leads to more arguments. I choose to vape inside because I feel comfortable with what I'm doing. Some may choose to not vape in front of there children because they are not comfortable doing so.
The only person that knows what you should do, is you.
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OP asked (in his/her first ever post on the forum) "Is the exhaled vapor safe for kids to be around?"
Short answer: We honestly don't know for sure, yet, but we generally believe the risk to be minimal, given all the other stuff we breathe in daily.
Sorry if this is a noob question.
You may be a noob, but it is a question many of us have asked themselves at one point or another, so I say it was an excellent question. Only time will tell us the correct answer, unfortunately! Welcome to ECF!
ETA: Creniker beat me to it, lol!
Short answer: We honestly don't know for sure, yet, but we generally believe the risk to be minimal, given all the other stuff we breathe in daily.
Sorry if this is a noob question.
You may be a noob, but it is a question many of us have asked themselves at one point or another, so I say it was an excellent question. Only time will tell us the correct answer, unfortunately! Welcome to ECF!
ETA: Creniker beat me to it, lol!
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