experimental wicking materials???

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Schneck

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I have followed many threads on using many types of different materials. With all the rebuildables out there now, I am worried about the consequences this causes for us in general. I have heard that the material used in cartos and attys that we have been using from the begining are leaving traces of fiber in our lungs. Is there any truth to this? Then, I here that the stainless can cause problems, and now people are buying any sort of yarn, cotton balls, gauze, cheesecloth etc,etc,etc and the horror stories behind these if burnt and inhaled. I love smoking, so when I found ecigs, I was amazed that I get the best of both worlds. However, I am clueless to alot of the hype (I call it) and since I started following ecf, I am now confused. What is the truth behind the material we use to vape with and should we be grabbing every material that absorbs liquid we see out shopping and wraping coils around it and putting it into our lungs? If anyone has any info on what we are previously using in our cartos, attys, tanks and rebuildable that is or is not safe please let me know cause everthing I am reading on here has just confused the hell out of me and sounds very suspect. Please explain to me anyway possible about the materials we are using and if they pose a threat.
 

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I have followed many threads on using many types of different materials. With all the rebuildables out there now, I am worried about the consequences this causes for us in general. I have heard that the material used in cartos and attys that we have been using from the begining are leaving traces of fiber in our lungs. Is there any truth to this? Then, I here that the stainless can cause problems, and now people are buying any sort of yarn, cotton balls, gauze, cheesecloth etc,etc,etc and the horror stories behind these if burnt and inhaled. I love smoking, so when I found ecigs, I was amazed that I get the best of both worlds. However, I am clueless to alot of the hype (I call it) and since I started following ecf, I am now confused. What is the truth behind the material we use to vape with and should we be grabbing every material that absorbs liquid we see out shopping and wraping coils around it and putting it into our lungs? If anyone has any info on what we are previously using in our cartos, attys, tanks and rebuildable that is or is not safe please let me know cause everthing I am reading on here has just confused the hell out of me and sounds very suspect. Please explain to me anyway possible about the materials we are using and if they pose a threat.

I've read very little on this, but imho, it's a little science mixed in with more guesses on wick materials and safety. I could be wrong but am not aware of a study done yet. Bottom line; I'm not a doctor or researcher, so take me and everyone who isn't w/ a grain of salt.

Most smoked analogs blindly and didn't think about it when we lit up. I think the fact that we vape for it being a safer alternative to smoking, we get hyper analytical at times. Not that it's bad to question, but I say if one chooses to vape, vape. It is a relatively young industry and no one knows the long term outlook, but I can say after three years of vaping I feel loads better, and I've used everything from cartos to silica and ss for wicks.
 
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Yes, inhaling anything but pure air is not safe. And that means what? Pure air is an invention since the air we do breathe has everything from volcano exhaust to dangerous chemicals expelled by oak trees, then throw in the stuff that man-made devices throw out. I even remember reading a study that concluded that the lung damage from working around truck exhaust and smoking was the same as working around truck exhaust and not smoking.

You bring up other people experimenting with materials and inhaling stuff and wonder if "we" should. You remember, as another vet has pointed out, that "we" use to be smokers, so should "we" have been smoking in the first place? I have a collection of long term injuries from MX'ing, mountain climbing (actually from the falls, not the actual climbing), and fighting (my sons always thought the stab wound scars were the "cool" ones). Why would I bring up my stupidity? Because it is mine and no one else's. I took the risks and I blame nobody but myself.

The truth is, nobody knows. Nobody will know for quite awhile. And when we do start to know, will the studies seperate the different wick users that used rebuildable atomizers from the stanadard atomizer users and from the cartomizer users? How about the different chemicals used for flavoring? Will they be identified by the industrial process used to extract their nicotine? Those who used nolox on thier threads and those who didn't?

The fact that so much is unknown and there is still experimentation going on frightens some folks. I've read health experts say that smoking burning tobacco is better because that is known and until e-cigs are fully known and understood then tobacco was better.

If you want to study all the different stainless steel chemistries and finishing processes, that's up to you, but realize that there are different classes of stainless steel and numerous types of each class, so lumping a 17-4 and 303 together is a mistake. (Going off sulphur content off the top of my head here for an example.) I don't know much about fibers, but I would be willing to guess that there are a multitude of different processes to finish them that give them different properties and because of that have different chemicals they would exhaust when heated.

You have to do what you feel secure doing. You don't have to be the one to go across the cliff face to secure the line for the rest of the group. Heck you don't even have to be on that cliff face. You can watch to see who makes it the furthest and then follow that path. You could even turn around and go back.

We don't even know that smoking tobacco will kill you. We know it can. You may be like one of my grandfathers who died because of the material that was used in the filters of his cigarettes, not because of the smoke. Or my other grandfather who smoke nearly 4 packs a day and died of the effects from his drinking habit in his late 80's.

I remember my grandmother frying up potatoes and onions in a big iron skillet with lard and seeing the TV had Euell Gibbons on spouting his usual stuff. "Those health nuts are going to be confused when they're in the hospital, in their final days, dying of nothing.", she remarked. (All my grandparents lived longer lives than Euell Gibbons by the way. And if you don't remember Euell Gibbons, look him up, he was actually a pretty cool guy that died of a genetic condition in his early 60's.)

You have to do what you feel secure doing.
 

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As far as I know, the twine wicks in clearos and Joye 510 attys are silicone fiber, and are high-heat resistant. You can literally take a lighter flame to them and they do not burn at all. This is what you want for wicks. I believe carto packing material is also a Si fiber. Cotton, wool or other cellulose-based fibers are right out. They will burn on the coil.

Some wick twines are "finished" twines, meaning they have a coating on them of some chemical. So some, when they get their clearos or CE2-type tanks, will use a flame to remove the finishing chemical, which will burn off, leaving the wick unscathed.

I supposed there is a possibility of carto filler fibers occasionally cutting loose and entering the lungs, leading to an asbestos-like lung injury, but they have been on the market for several years now, and I've not heard of any reports of this. Doesn't mean it cannot happen (I do not know!), but as yet it has not been an issue. There would be reports of lung nodules being detected, although that leading to cancer can take years.
 
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