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Explain APVs (mods) to me please

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  1. Jerethustra

    Jerethustra Full Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Santiago, Chile
    What are they? And why are they better than regular e-cigs? Do you just plug the cartomizer into a box with liquid? How is that better?

    Sorry for the complete newb question!
  2. Mudflap

    Mudflap Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 19, 2010
    Tyler, Texas
    Mod = modified e-cigarette.

    Same purpose as an e-cigarette with better juice delivery and/or battery life. The "looks like a cigarette" pre-req has to be abandoned to make a decent mod, but we get over that pretty quickly. There are many great mods out there. I love mine.
  3. Jerethustra

    Jerethustra Full Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Santiago, Chile
  4. breaktru

    breaktru Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mods make it more interesting
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  5. hairball

    hairball ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 17, 2010
    Other Places
    There are true 3.7v devices like puresmoker's icon and prodigy v3.1 (this one is also 6v with different batteries).

    Then you have variable voltage mods like the darwin, provari, joker, vv saber touch, little sister, big brother, big daddy, infinity, and buzz. This gives you the ability to adjust the voltage to the type of atty or cartomizer that you are using. Once you vv, you won't want to go back. It makes your juice so much batter.

    Mods are better in my opinion.
  6. Jerethustra

    Jerethustra Full Member

    Feb 21, 2011
    Santiago, Chile
    Ah, so mods are like dripping into the battery end of an atomizer/cartomizer every time you draw and you can have better or variable voltage/resistance.
  7. MickeyRat

    MickeyRat Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Mar 4, 2011
    Hickory, NC
    That's actually an interesting question. At what point, does something become a mod?

    I'll take a stab at it. A mod has one or more of the following:

    Higer Voltage (HV)
    Variable Voltage (VV)
    Generic batteries
    A juice feeding system that is not a cart, carto, manual dripping or tank.
    A unique atomizer

    The thing is there are still tank feeding systems that are still mods and there are unique cartos like the go-go that in general aren't considered mods. So, this isn't a perfect definition.
  8. rolygate

    rolygate Forum Manager Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Sep 24, 2009
    ECF Towers
    A simple way of defining an APV (mod) is that it is just a battery holder.

    There are two big advantages to this:

    1. They take generic batteries - so you can get them from multiple sources online, not just from the OEM.

    2. The batteries are larger, so you get a longer working time, plus the hit is often better because the tiny batteries in cigarette-clone e-cigs cannot possibly provide enough current without a large voltage drop. Essentially, the job is too much for those tiny batteries.

    So you can see there are several advantages. The disadvantage - to newcomers - is that they are far too big to look like a cigarette. Experienced users mostly don't care.

    APVs can also have other widgets added such as variable voltage, digital readouts, and so on.

    Please note that APVs use lithium ion rechargeable batteries, and these batteries must be treated with far more care and respect than ordinary main street rechargeables. In some circumstances they can be dangerous (with incorrect use or mistreatment). Because of this you must not only exercise due diligence but be very careful with them - these batteries should be treated in the same way as a gas cylinder for your barbecue: not to be abused.

    • Only use the batteries that come with the APV.
    • Only buy batteries from the original vendor or from a source that you are ABSOLUTELY SURE supplies the EXACT batteries for your APV.
    • Only use the charger that came with the APV.
    • Don't take shortcuts or try to cut costs with these batteries - some people have paid a high price for saving $5.

    Read this:
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  9. dormouse

    dormouse ECF Guru ECF Veteran

    Oct 31, 2010
    There are mods which are just changes people make to existing parts like cartridge mods by putting in different stuffing

    And there are mods which are unusual ecigs that are often powered by generic batteries which are removable and replaceable. Many mods are handmade out of tubes (like flashlight bodies and other tubes) or boxes, batteries, switch and a purchased atomizer socket and atomizer.

    This forum has instructions for making a number of mods
    MadVapes e-Cig 'How To' Tutorials • Index page

    There is one other category that may be considered mods and those are unusual shape ecigs like screwdriver, chuck, various commercial box-shaped ecigs, etc.
  10. swedishfish

    swedishfish Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 28, 2010
  11. mlinky

    mlinky ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Nov 22, 2010
    Thanks swedishfish! I couldn't remember where I had posted my response, and didn't want to retype it :)

    E-Cig 101, an e-cig basically has three components: 1) battery = power; 2) atomizer = vaporiser; and 3) juice delivery = cartridges, tanks, juice bottles (juice fed mods).

    All e-cigs and mods are combinations of these components, and the mods are designed to optimize them, which they do to one extent or the other.

    Batteries deliver the power that drives the atomizer. Generally, if you give the same atomizer higher voltage, the vape gets hotter and delivers more throat hit. The larger the battery, the longer it lasts, and the bigger the mod needs to be.

    Atomizers heat up and turn the juice into vapor. Generally, the lower the resistance (measured on ohms), the hotter the vape.

    The battery voltage and the atomizer resistance have to work together to get a good vape. That is why you will see people talking about a 3.7v battery and a 1.8ohm atomizer, or using a high resistance atomizer with a 6v set up. Most people find a battery that gives them the size or longevity that they prefer and an atomizer that works well with that battery.

    For those who are still searching, or are using batteries that have a gradual power loss while being used, there are variable voltage mods, which either manually, or automatically adjust the voltage being delivered to the atomizer.

    Finally, the juice delivery. I use a REO Mini, which is a "bottom fed" or "juice box" mod. The pv itself has a bottle of juice contained inside so there is no refilling needed during the day. The provari, and others like it, are used primarily for dripping or use add-ons (like MAP tanks, etc.) to provide the juice to the device.

    Hope that helps.
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