Exploding 18650

[njvap]

Will a battery explode without me being alarmed by an extremely hot temperature well enough before it blows up in my face?

I have a k100, or that's what I think it is, telescopic mechanical mod running on a 18650 ultrafire .
Seeing all the safety issues I went ahead and bought protected orbitronic batteries 3100 mah, and a soshine charger from orbitronic site to be on the safe side, how comfortable should I feel about the safety of my setup, by tgat I mean, not look like I'm scared of the mod while taking drags, and being able to leave the battery charging overnight without fearing for the house to burn down?

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[ECURiley]

check the amp limit for your battery, I dont trust ultrafire batteries, i have some that getting hot spots (they are protected). Protected means that the batter isnt safe without it. If you check like efest which are sold at nearly every vape shop they are not protected but this is bc it is safe to use. Also there are tons of good batteries out there, I just picked up a EH 1600mah 30 amp battery and this is one of the safest that you can get. just understand that the higer the amp normally the lower the mah. Panasonic has some that have a 30amp and high mah so check those out. Ive seen them on amazon for cheap.

 

[rolygate]

It's best to charge any/all ecig batteries (and integral cell ecigs like an eGo of course) in a Li-Po charging sack or on a cement floor like in your garage. If not then in a cake tin or something. All lithium cells of any kind can catch fire when on charge due to faults in the cell or the charger.

If you charge any ecig-related batt on a carpet or a wood counter top or something, you are asking to have to make a fire claim on your insurance (or worse). All responsible* vendors sell Li-Po charging bags, or you can get them on Ebay.

[* I probably meant: all responsible and knowledgeable vendors; unfortunately not all vendors know that Li-Po sacks exist and that they should be used for charging all lithium cells.]


Here's what happens if you risk it:

 

[Randall.K]

and being able to leave the battery charging overnight without fearing for the house to burn down?

#1 Rule. Never leave a charging battery unattended!

 

[Bigbudgts]

It's best to charge any/all ecig batteries (and integral cell ecigs like an eGo of course) in a Li-Po charging sack or on a cement floor like in your garage. If not then in a cake tin or something. All lithium cells of any kind can catch fire when on charge due to faults in the cell or the charger.

If you charge any ecig-related batt on a carpet or a wood counter top or something, you are asking to have to make a fire claim on your insurance (or worse). All responsible vendors sell Li-Po charging bags, or you can get them on Ebay.

Here's what happens if you risk it:

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Holy !@#$ thats one scary pick (thats it im moving to the garage in the morning!!!!)

 

[desk1%]

My charger sits in a modified metal Christmas chocolate tin that is well vented and has the sharp spots where the cord goes through coated with a soft epoxy. As long as you're not going below 0.7 ohms you should be well withing your safe operating limits.

 

[DaveP]

Choose lMR batteries instead of Li-ion. Lithium Manganese can still go south on you, but they are less likely to turn into a bottle rocket and/or explode. When they fail you get high heat and some smoke for quite a while before flames.

Never go to sleep with a battery on charge. As Rolygate said, charge on a fireproof surface in a metal box or Lipo sack designed to contain any problems that might arise.

Safe is much better than even just one sorry event.

 

[umarbutt610]

It's best to charge any/all ecig batteries (and integral cell ecigs like an eGo of course) in a Li-Po charging sack or on a cement floor like in your garage. If not then in a cake tin or something. All lithium cells of any kind can catch fire when on charge due to faults in the cell or the charger.

If you charge any ecig-related batt on a carpet or a wood counter top or something, you are asking to have to make a fire claim on your insurance (or worse). All responsible* vendors sell Li-Po charging bags, or you can get them on Ebay.

[* I probably meant: all responsible and knowledgeable vendors; unfortunately not all vendors know that Li-Po sacks exist and that they should be used for charging all lithium cells.]


Here's what happens if you risk it:

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Thank you. I did not know about that and am going to buy it asap.

 

[njvap]

Sal at orbitronic told me the bag is not necessary to use with orbitronic protected batteries, now I know he is the vendir, so....
Niw how do I charge the batteries while in the bag or should I.put them in the charger and then put the whole assembly in the bag?

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[Randall.K]

Sal at orbitronic told me the bag is not necessary to use with orbitronic protected batteries, now I know he is the vendir, so....
Niw how do I charge the batteries while in the bag or should I.put them in the charger and then put the whole assembly in the bag?

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Well............... Someone telling you the bag isn't necessary is bad advice, better safe than sorry, eh?

With my Lipo charging bag, it as a Velcro seal, so I simply just put the bag inside and the wire coming out of it. Pull out occasionally to check the volts(if your charger doesn't have a volts LCD display).

Like DaveP said, choose lMR batteries for mech mods.

Here's some great information about what batteries and battery safety, posted from a member here, Baditude. You NEED to read.

Here's the links:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eeper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-i.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...eper-understanding-mod-batteries-part-ii.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-9-battery-basics-mods-imr-protected-icr.html

If that picture in a above post doesn't scare you, well...............

 

[GreatGoazoiu]

get a good charger like the intellacharger it has overcharge protection so you dont have to worry about exploding 18650's man

 

[desk1%]

get a good charger like the intellacharger it has overcharge protection so you dont have to worry about exploding 18650's man

That's the charger I own. I still did the tin thing but the i4 is the best damn thing for the money. If I had a more reliable income I'd get an Efest LUC just because it looks cool as funk.

 

[Jenn Perry]

OK I have a question.....All my items are VV so I know I am OK and I watch my batteries when they are on the charger yada yada....I would like a good battery with the highest mah I can get for my stuff. I have the following: Evic, Vtube, smok gripper, and the VTR all use the 18650 batteries, however in everything except the gripper, my batteries only last about 4 hours of heavy chain vaping. What do you suggest?

 

[BuzzKilla]

Lipo charging bags were designed for hobby grade chargers, where the charger is outside of the bag, and is connected to the cells through battery wire leads.
Charging your batteries on an xtar(or other brand) charger on a non combustible surface, in a well ventilated area, is a safe ideal condition.

if you stick the battery and charger in a Lipo bag, you risk overheating the charger and causing a failure, rather than preventing it.
Safety equipment is a good thing , but only if used as intended.

Using a good quality charger is just as important and getting a quality battery.

I have my share of hobby grade chargers, but i use a XTAR-VP1 for ecig use, and am happily charging my AW's with it.

Stay safe

 

[njvap]

Thank you for that, I knew it didn't make sense..

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[DaveP]

OK I have a question.....All my items are VV so I know I am OK and I watch my batteries when they are on the charger yada yada....I would like a good battery with the highest mah I can get for my stuff. I have the following: Evic, Vtube, smok gripper, and the VTR all use the 18650 batteries, however in everything except the gripper, my batteries only last about 4 hours of heavy chain vaping. What do you suggest?

Battery test-review 18650 summary

There are exhaustive test charts at the above link that show all the specs, including discharge capacity for 18650 batteries. Be sure that the one you choose is an lMR (lithium manganese rechargeable) battery for safety's sake. Many of those are Li-ion (lithium ion) and need internal protection to keep them from going over current and overheating. The chart will say IMR for those that are not Li-ion.

For what it's worth, the world seems to use IMR for lithium manganese batteries. This came about when people confused the l in lmr for an I and started typing imr. In caps, IMR and LMR are distinguishable. In lower case, not so much, but the correct abbreviation is LMR.

 

[desk1%]

Lipo charging bags were designed for hobby grade chargers, where the charger is outside of the bag, and is connected to the cells through battery wire leads.
Charging your batteries on an xtar(or other brand) charger on a non combustible surface, in a well ventilated area, is a safe ideal condition.

if you stick the battery and charger in a Lipo bag, you risk overheating the charger and causing a failure, rather than preventing it.
Safety equipment is a good thing , but only if used as intended.

Using a good quality charger is just as important and getting a quality battery.

This guy is on it. I feel like the lipo bag concept being expressed prior to this is like me saying "you can wear your hardhat on your knee and you'll be just fine so long as it's on your body." I use a bit less expensive charger but it does have over current protection and float mode built in.

 

[BuzzKilla]

nothing wrong with advocating safety.
but when improper use has the possibility to do more harm than good, it should be noted.

 

[rolygate]

I have always advocated using a cake tin as that is the best solution - we have used that for 50 years to my knowledge and the old ways are often right.

However, people who claimed to know about batteries kept telling me to advocate using a Li-Po sack and laughing at my claim a cake tin is perfect. It was easier for me to go with the flow and promote the Li-Po sacks, because people can easily buy them and they may not be able to find a large cake tin (what we call a biscuit tin in the UK).

I know I was right originally and would like to go back to advocating the use of a cake tin, but need some sort of solid data to refute the claim a Li-Po sack is best. Please give me a series of temperature measurements for an eGo batt at full charge in a sack and in a tin, ditto for an 18650 in a TF-01. Thanks.

Also, I'd just like to point out that if you believe your Model X charger / battery are 'safe', then that's OK, but please don't tell other people who may have less experience that stuff is safe (and, by implication, that they can put it on a carpet). None of it is, because it's made to a price (and just because you paid $50 for it doesn't mean it was ex-factory at any more than $5).

 

[emus]

I have not the patience to baby sit charging batts.
I have not the trust my chargers and batts are defect free.
I have not the trust plastic batt case will contain batt venting or fire.
I trust my metal tool box will contain misbehaved batts and chargers.