Extremely Disappointed: Rotten Service, Products Substandard

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I, too, was upset with the lack of customer service. I won't go into a long story here (but believe me, I could.) Let me just say that the main issues I had when ordering the $100 EVOlution Kit (2 batts, 3 atomizers, Pelican Case, etc.) were:

1) Item not shipped when promised - it took almost a month to arrive, with me sending emails frequently in order to get updates. The batteries were on backorder for 1 week, according to the website. In the third week, I finally agreed to "try" the manual batteries, just to get the product shipped and be able to start using it.

2) The customer service rep I was working with ignored my questions regarding WHEN they would be receiving the batteries I'd ordered and be able to ship them out.

3) The last kit I ordered (from a different company) came in a nice company box, had instructions, warranty info, etc., and was obviously a new product. This kit came in a priority mail box, no paperwork other than a (not itemized) receipt. No way to know if this was a new or used item, either - very fishy.

4) I assumed the item came with a wall charger (I thought it was standard). The item arrived with a USB charger only. Very inconveniant if you aren't near a computer. Just another disappointment.


5) The atomizers that arrived are not even EVOlution atomizers.

6) At the time, Innovapor was running a special - an extra charger with each kit order (although they are not clear - is this a USB charger? a wall charger? what?) I did not receive the extra charger.

7) After recieving my order, I was told by the customer service rep that the EVOlution, with the manual battery they sent me, is EXACTLY the same as the 510, which they were selling for 20% off at that time - quite a difference price-wise for someone on a very limited fixed income, due to a back injury that left me disabled. A reputable seller would have informed me of this from the get-go and refunded the price difference.

8) The day I received my kit, one of the batteries stopped functioning - it would not charge, the tip does not glow, and it does not heat the atomizer.

9) A week later, I noticed one of the atomizers has what appears to be a loose coil. It no longer works.

10) And now, not even two weeks after receiving my order, the second battery no longer works.

Frankly, I'm fed up and disgusted. I have to PAY to ship this garbage back, and wait who knows how long for replacement parts, meanwhile, I sold the kit I owned before buying the EVOlution, which means, yup: I get to smoke gross, stinky, expensive analog cigs, after almost completely having quit. (I was a clove cig smoker, and can't stand regular cigs, but I'll be the first to admit - I'm addicted, and due to health and personal stresses and not at a point in my life where I can just quit cold turkey and can't go without.

I am so disappointed in my experience, especially after reading through this website and learning that there are suppliers out there who take care of their customers. Having successfully owned and operated an online business for 15 years before becoming disabled, I always went the extra mile to insure that my customers were happy. If products were backordered, or shipping was delayed, I apologized, offered coupons, included something extra in their order - whatever it took to let the customer know that I understood how frustrating it is to have an online order delayed for *any* reason. Items that arrived broken or failed during the first 30 days were shipped back to me at *my* expense - it isn't the customer's fault the product failed!

I guess my point being - yes, there are things that happen to delay shipments, or products don't always work: both situation in which the customer is going to be dissatisfied, but, it would behoove the company to remember that an unhappy customer won't be your customer again. Well, that and the old adage that every unhappy customer tells ten people about their bad experience. (of course, that number has probably increased thanks to the internet!)
 

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Sorry to hear of your experience. I've never ordered from the company so can't say anything about them.

However, in college, both my business and communications classes said this about poor business practices and poor communications:

"For every negative comment made, it takes 6 positive comments to counteract the negative."

I've applied this rule in all aspects of my life. Too bad most businesses and people don't.

Their loss.
 

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Your #1 worries me. I have spoke with clay and was told my order would ship that day and i would receive confirmation. Still nothing but an order made at the same time through someone else sent confirmation & tracking. Quicker delivery is why i ordered stateside.

3.Maybe they buy parts and assembles kits? I haven't seen the case/PCC setup anywhere yet. Then again maybe they buy kits and splits them to make their own style and sell some of the kit parts separate? Was it packaged so no damage occurred?

4. I know most other places sell a kit with wall charger but innovapor offers a rather different kit and only mentions usb on evo kits.

5. Isn't evo atomizers just a m4 series?

6.The 100$ evo kit says it comes with 1 usb charger. I know the m4 kits had a extra usb charger recently and still shows on the kits.

7.I think you or they confused models. The 510 has a female battery and the evo/m4 has a male. From my understanding the evo is a m4 with some changes compared to the standard m4's.

8/10. Clay mentioned that they had been having problems with the short batteries. Is this the type you ordered? The longs are 73mm. Either way if they want future business then they should cover shipping since they are under warranty or stop selling them until the manufacturer gets the kinks worked out. Even the manufacturers know they aren't making swiss timepieces. With batteries it could be caused by the charger so there are other variables.

9.I don't have one of these yet but atomizers seem to be throw away items. Not to get into another discussion but they seem to produce heat and have lead solder. Atleast its not a pcb in the main relay of a 40k$ car. Are you twisting when installing a cart or do you hold the cart while screwing in a new battery? I've seen warnings about this.


I would rate communication via phone as good provided they(i spoke with clay) follow through. I have repeatedly made several thousands of dollars worth of purchases with shops/suppliers that are great on the phone but seem to hate email. They deliver and have kept my business and recieved ten+ fold from referrals. If they fail then there is no advertizing like 20-60k member message boards and word of mouth.

I'll be sure to post my experience when it's delivered and a follow up after use. My expectations may be different because i'm only planning to test it out as a "stop smoking crutch" and don't plan to continue using it. I figure if it last 2 months and i can be done smoking and done with the e cig then it is a success. If not then back to smokes and add e cigs to the list of other products that aren't good quitting products for people who enjoy smoking.
 
Hi 316lvm!

Yeah, that's the point I was trying (unsuccessfully) to make. I always mix up my cliche's. Oh, well! That's the way the cookie bounces! :p
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Oi, Quitting Sucks: I <3 your screenname. Too true.

""Your #1 worries me. I have spoke with clay and was told my order would ship that day and i would receive confirmation. Still nothing but an order made at the same time through someone else sent confirmation & tracking. Quicker delivery is why i ordered stateside.""

Yes, ironically, that is one of the reasons I chose to order from them as opposed to another company. I incorrectly figured the shipment would arrive sooner, since they are only a couple states away - how wrong I was.

Also, I initially saw here that they were running a 20% off deal here on ECF under the 'InnoVapor Coupon List Thread - Saving you $$$'. The list showed a code for INNOVAPOR20. Of course, when I tried to use it, it was no longer valid - even though according to their own list, it was. Grrr. I emailed them right away, and they said they weren't using that code anymore (duh) but that the INNOVAPOR10 code still worked (woopdidoo). I heard back from them within 24 hours, though, and that made me think they were JohnnyOnTheSpot with customer response times. Another mistake.

To add to that, had it been my business (yes, yes, which, I know! It isn't!) I would have honored the 20% off code. In fact, around these parts, I think that if you advertise something like that, you have to honor it - grocery stores and such do it all the time.


""Maybe they buy parts and assembles kits? I haven't seen the case/PCC setup anywhere yet. Then again maybe they buy kits and splits them to make their own style and sell some of the kit parts separate? Was it packaged so no damage occurred?""

As for the packaging - it came in one of the small priority mail boxes with about 6 inches of bubble wrap inside. Not the worst job of protecting the merchandise, but not the best either.I can't attest to whether or not anything was damaged in shipment - because as I mentioned, one of the batteries failed the first day, and one of attys appeared to be busted (loose coil?) which may or may not have occurred in shipping - no way to know.

I guess, having already experienced a more professional presenentation for a kit I purchased with a different company, I expected a bit more from Innovapor. As to whether or not the parts are new - who knows. My only point being - there is no way to tell, and since they failed so fast, it certainly made me go, 'hrmmmm?'

"".The 100$ evo kit says it comes with 1 usb charger. I know the m4 kits had a extra usb charger recently and still shows on the kits.""

Yeah, when I purchased my kit, they were running a special (banner ad on the main page, etc.) for 20% off the M4 and an 'extra charger' in all kits. My kit only came with the USB charger. When I emailed them about the lack of extra charger, I was told they'd ship one out to me when I returned the defective merchandise. That miffed me a bit - it should have been shipped out when I pointed out their mistake. Not after I've spent my money to ship back defective parts.

""I think you or they confused models. The 510 has a female battery and the evo/m4 has a male. From my understanding the evo is a m4 with some changes compared to the standard m4's.""

Ugh. I'm feeling confused, so have no clue as to whether or not I'm correct in thinking I didn't even receive what I ordered. Again, I placed an order for the EVOlution $100 kit. They were out of the EVO batteries and stated they'd arrive in a week. About three weeks later, they were still ignoring my questions regarding when they would receive the batts to ship out to me, and pimping the M4s manual battery on me - saying it's much much better, etc. I finally relented, just to get the darn thing shipped. It wasn't until a friend wanted to purchase an EVO and we emailed Innovapor to ask the diff between the M4 and the EVO, that I started to wonder if I'd even received an EVO. When I looked at the pix on their site a bit closer that I really started to think I'd received the wrong thing (previously, I'd always used my cellphone to pull up their site, but this time I used my computer which shows the detail much better, and it appears that there is no brass on the EVO atty's whereas there is on mine.) While browsing this site, I saw a post from someone mentioning that there wasn't a brass 'ring' on the attys, and how sharp it looked, all in silver - just one more thing that made me wonder if I'd received what I'd actually paid for.

I'm going to try to include some pix I took of the atty and battery I received, and of the EVO from the website - of course, I didn't have my glasses on, and just realized I didn't line the bits up correctly on the ruler - doh!

As a side note, the batts they pushed on me are marked down now to $9 - makes me think that they're exactly what I thought - lousy product! (Yeah, I know it was my choice, but after waiting three weeks, and not getting an answer to 'when do you expect your shipment of batts to arrive so that you can ship 'em out to me?', I finally got desperate and caved).

Okay, now that I've written a novel, I'm going to go puff on a stinky analogue. Blech!
 

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To clear up some of your model confusion: The EVOlution is a brand of M40x from Intellicig in the UK, and Innovapour are a US distributor of Intellicig products.

IMO, the EVO is by far the best quality M40x I have used.

Intellicig do NOT produce manual batteries (but I think you already worked that out).

The atomiser/vaporiser should have the intellicig website printed on them, and the connections are silver (whereas almost all others I've seen are gold)

The 510 model is COMPLETELY different to the EVO: fatter, not so nicely proportioned IMO, the threads are the opposite way round, the EVO (and all M4 series) have an exposed bridge, whereas the 510 is not.

Hope this helps a bit in sorting out what it is you have :D

PS: Many kits only have USB chargers. You can buy a USB/mains adaptor to charge in a standard socket (and a USB/12V adapter to charge in the car)
 
Well! There's no doubt in my mind that I'm a bit frazzled and confused! Heck, the holidays alone do that to me - not to mention trying to quit smoking *and* dealing with an e-cig nightmare! I'm feeling like an addled zombie! 8-o

Here is what I was told, when I emailed Innovapor and asked about the difference between the EVO and the M4. But honestly, right now, not a whole lot of it is making sense!

The EVOlution (EVO) is sold by Intellicig in the UK. The EVO atomizer
and the M4 atomizers are currently both made in China, although they
are not manufactured in the same facility. They are the same design
and compatible with each other. The EVO automatic battery has
electronics that are unique to it and assembled at Intellicig. There
are automatic batteries made in China, designated M401 & M402, that
are compatible with the EVO battery but they do not share the same
electronics. We believe the EVO is superior but it's still an auto. We
had the M4 manual batteries manufactured for us because we like the
features of a manual. We actually had them made in polished silver and
black but or Chinese supplier decided to keep the black ones and sell
them from China. I guess that's OK since they are the first of their
kind in the world and many people have been requesting them for some
time now.

And as an aside - hey ya'll - I really really appreciate your help. Honestly, I've never experienced a better forum (I've been lurking for a bit). There's rarely snarkiness, the majority of people are just chillin', vapin', trying new and exciting things, and spreading the word. "Hella kewl" as my weenitz would say! I actually felt bad writing *anything* negative here, but then it occurred to me that maybe other people had similar experiences, or it might help someone else make decisions regarding their own purchases or how to handle purchases they're having problems with, etc. But anyway, just wanted to say thanks... So, thanks!:D
 

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Well i have to say that so far i am happy with my order. Ordered in the evening on 11/24 and recieved 11/28. That is fast considering it didn't go out until the next day and we had a holiday. There was one mix up being that i ordered 10 empty carts and recieved 10 full intellicig carts. Better deal realy provided the regular high carts taste good but i was wanting to test 8 other flavors i ordered... ohwell.

I think the extra USB charger was just for the m4 kits. I'm thinking m420 was the code. Glad they had that because i ordered the chargerless kit lol.

If i was you i'd pop your broken stuff in a USPS small box or bag for under 2$ shipped and see what you get in return. It looks like you have the small batts that i was told had a few complaints. Atleast give them a chance to make it right.

If i can get my shaking under control i'll make a thread with pics to show the packing and stuff i received. I thought it was packed ok since United Package Smashers wasn't handling the shipping.

Good luck to ya
 
I was contacted almost two weeks ago by someone from Intellicig who saw my post here. They told me that the e-cig I received was not, in fact, an EVO (they'd seen my photos here), and that they'd be shipping out an EVO as soon as they received my addy. I emailed back, but never received a response, and nope! I haven't received the EVO, they said they would send, either. I also received an email from someone at Innovapor, and responded to that person but haven't heard anything back from them, either. I've since sent a couple emails to each person and still no response.

After hearing from the person from Intellicig, I was very relieved and pleased, thinking that I was wrong and they did care about their customers, and I figured I'd be vaping away happily on my EVO by now. But nope. I'm still blowing a fortune in analogues, and freezing my tush off to do so... it's 17 degrees F outside here in Seattle, WA! Brrrrrrrr!!!!!!! I did borrow a friend's e-cig for a couple days to try out some e-juice I'd ordered from Strictly E-Juice, so I could review it (it was awesome - from their website and customer service, to the actual product), and I'll be posting a review of them soon!) But, alas, I had to give back her e-cig, so now I'm right back to sitting outside and shivering through an analog. Grrr!

At any rate, I'm thinking I'll have to contact the credit card company tomorrow and have them deal with the problem. I mean sure, mixups happen sometimes when your ordering things online, but this should have *and* could have been resolved weeks ago! This is too long to go waiting for resolution, WAY too long to wait to have the product I paid alot of money for, and SO MUCH MORE TIME AND EFFORT put into trying to get the product I paid for than anyone should have to spend dealing with a problem from an online purchase! Gah. Makes me feel like pulling my hair out!

Anyway I *am* happy to hear that some others have had better experiences. Not sure why mine was (and continues to be) so wretched, but I can't imagine the company would last long if they treated *all* their customers this way! I'd be curious to know if anyone else was sent a different product than they paid for, or has had problems getting things resolved, or contacting Intellicig and/or Innovapor, etc.? I really, really wish I'd never ordered from them - with so many other companies out there who have no negative reviews, there's just no point in ordering from a suspect company. Oh, well! Lesson learned! :oops:
 

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I was contacted almost two weeks ago by someone from Intellicig who saw my post here. They told me that the e-cig I received was not, in fact, an EVO (they'd seen my photos here), and that they'd be shipping out an EVO as soon as they received my addy. I emailed back, but never received a response, and nope! I haven't received the EVO, they said they would send, either. I also received an email from someone at Innovapor, and responded to that person but haven't heard anything back from them, either. I've since sent a couple emails to each person and still no response.

After hearing from the person from Intellicig, I was very relieved and pleased, thinking that I was wrong and they did care about their customers, and I figured I'd be vaping away happily on my EVO by now. But nope. I'm still blowing a fortune in analogues, and freezing my tush off to do so... it's 17 degrees F outside here in Seattle, WA! Brrrrrrrr!!!!!!! I did borrow a friend's e-cig for a couple days to try out some e-juice I'd ordered from Strictly E-Juice, so I could review it (it was awesome - from their website and customer service, to the actual product), and I'll be posting a review of them soon!) But, alas, I had to give back her e-cig, so now I'm right back to sitting outside and shivering through an analog. Grrr!

At any rate, I'm thinking I'll have to contact the credit card company tomorrow and have them deal with the problem. I mean sure, mixups happen sometimes when your ordering things online, but this should have *and* could have been resolved weeks ago! This is too long to go waiting for resolution, WAY too long to wait to have the product I paid alot of money for, and SO MUCH MORE TIME AND EFFORT put into trying to get the product I paid for than anyone should have to spend dealing with a problem from an online purchase! Gah. Makes me feel like pulling my hair out!

Anyway I *am* happy to hear that some others have had better experiences. Not sure why mine was (and continues to be) so wretched, but I can't imagine the company would last long if they treated *all* their customers this way! I'd be curious to know if anyone else was sent a different product than they paid for, or has had problems getting things resolved, or contacting Intellicig and/or Innovapor, etc.? I really, really wish I'd never ordered from them - with so many other companies out there who have no negative reviews, there's just no point in ordering from a suspect company. Oh, well! Lesson learned! :oops:

I received a PM from you today but never got your email. Please send it again to john@intellicig.com and cc it to info@intellicig.com to be sure. There are lots of members here who will assure you that I keep my word especially when dealing with customers, even though you are an IV customer.
I did email IV and will call them today to find out why you have had no response.
John.
 
Well, I purchased these e-cigs back in November, and have received numerous emails from Innovapor. First they said they'd send out replacements, then they stalled for months saying they were not sure what they needed to send (I kept responding, explaining that *everything* I'd ordered died within either a day or a week, etc..., and they kept ignoring those emails... then I'd send an email saying, 'hey, I haven't heard back from you', and they'd send a response back saying, 'yeah, we were waiting to hear what replacements we needed to send', so I'd send a response back saying, 'yeah, I replied to that query, but, once more, here's what needs to be replaced' and explained again, then would copy/paste my previous response, then they wouldn't respond. Finally, I tried calling, talked to someone who said to email the order # to them, which I did. No response. SO... I emailed again, saying, 'yo... still waiting'. I got a response to that, only this time, saying they'd mail me an envelope to return the bad parts... 'okay, here's my address (AGAIN!!!) send it on' I replied...

AND... nothing... I've sent numerous emails since saying, 'hey... still waiting on that envelope' with no response.

This is $100 worth of product that all crapped out (even the fancy schmancy 'Pelican Case' with 'custom inserts' - you open it up and those custom inserts fall right out (just a couple pieces of cut rubber placed inside the case - nothing I couldn't have done myself and better!)

Sooo... it's been a month at least, since they said they'd send an envelope... six months since I ordered, and I'm done playing this ridiculous 'be nice to Innovapor and wait for them to make good on my order' game (and keep in mind, every single email I've sent I have been kind and polite and patient and understanding!)

Six months is TOO long to wait for any company to make good on a bad order like this - I should have had replacements within 30 days at the MAX.

I've contacted Visa, and they said they'd had a few complaints about this company. I've also heard that they owe distributors and are avoiding them like the plague, but I'm not going to give specifics on that since it isn't my story to tell - my only point being, the folks at Innovapor seem to have some shady business practices that go beyond selling me some crummy knock-offs that die right away.

Anyway, I'm gathering up the gobs of emails to fax in my request for a chargeback with Visa, since Innovapor has had six months to take care of the problem, and it seems never had any intention of doing so from day one... it's just been one empty promise, then excuses, then another empty promise, then nothing, after another.

And since I have to summarize what happened for Visa, I'll be posting the summary on the various review sites, etc. I think this is one company where the buyer should REALLY beware - when they send you the right things that actually work, I'm sure they're great. But if they send you the wrong stuff or faulty stuff - good luck getting any satisfaction. These forums are great for sharing the good experiences, so people know who is above the board, and the bad experiences, so people know who to watch out for. And, judging from my experience and what I've learned of Innovapor, they're one to watch out for.

Sorry if I sound grumpy - I've wasted hours on dealing with this company, and now get to waste MORE time gathering up everything and writing the summary for Visa, so I'm a little peeved about the whole thing. Grrr! :mad:
 
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