False Advertising

[roxics]

So I was at my local gas station and I noticed they sold these disposable e-cigs from a company called cigalectric. They looked like a carto type system so I figured they were a KR8 model. I looked it up online for the fun of it. Wow! Talk about wild claims. They are saying that a 5-pack of cartos equals a carton of cigarettes. They also say their disposables with two cartos equal 4-5 packs of cigarettes.

Check it out:
Products : Cigalectric

It seems like these claims from these types of vendors are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on. They really aren't helping the e-cig market when people are getting such false advertising. Just wish there was something we could all do about it.

 

[Vermonster13]

buy someone else's products. Claims only get you so far. Sales keep you in business.

 

[roxics]

I've never bought one of these myself. I'm just saying, for people who don't know any better they'll probably believe it, buy it and find out the truth. But by then the money is down the hole. Why can't people just be honest in business?

 

[ironslave]

wow they are really overpriced as well. It's amazing what some of these companies claim and how much they charge. 60$ for one battery, 2 cartos, and a charger!!!!!! thats worth 25$ maximum. That's not even a true starter kit! they are charging 40$ for a usb charger and a wall adapter to add to the disposable. It's a shame how far some people will go to rip people off....

 

[roxics]

I just checked out their "compare" page where the claims get just as crazy. lol They compare their model to other e-cigs. I found it funny how they say other e-cigs have limited flavors available compared to their 5 flavors.

 

[Nunnster]

Sadly I have seen this marketing from other makers as well. Even semi respected main stream e cig company stretch the truth. For example blu ecigs says "cartridge equals 1 packs of cigarette" which from what It looks like on their website a "flavor cartridge" is actually a carto. Even my first eicg, a 51 trio made a claim hard to believe "
Each cartomizer lasts approximately 1 1/2 to 2 packs of traditional tobacco cigarettes" I think they can get away with these clams because, If you break down the levels of nic in 1ml of juice, it is the equivalent of 1 pack of of smokes depending on what analogs you are talking about and what lvl of nic you are using. At least that is my understanding. This also might be one of the subjective things as well, I think a normal carto is about 7-10 smokes to me, but others think differently.

 

[Uncle Willie]

In the USA .. it's called "Buyer Beware" .. if consumers are not willing to do the research, then they get what they get and they pay what they pay ..

I guess I don't really undertstand threads like this .. and they come up constantly ..

With each person that buys and sticks with an e-cig, it furthers the cause for all of us .. and creates a larger base of folks that will help prevent any ban / regulation / taxation .. who cares what they paid .. I paid $120.00 for some junk e-cig a few years ago .. but it worked and pushed me farther into the hobby ..

A pack of analogs used to run me $6.00 ... oh, the outrage ..

 

[tj99959]

You will find that almost without exception every one of these rip offs is a KR808. For that simple reason I have not and will not buy anything KR808 related.

If you want to do some fun reaserch, check into what these marketers pay for these kits from KR when buying in bulk.

 

[Nunnster]

In the USA .. it's called "Buyer Beware" .. if consumers are not willing to do the research, then they get what they get and they pay what they pay ..

I guess I don't really undertstand threads like this .. and they come up constantly ..

With each person that buys and sticks with an e-cig, it furthers the cause for all of us .. and creates a larger base of folks that will help prevent any ban / regulation / taxation .. who cares what they paid .. I paid $120.00 for some junk e-cig a few years ago .. but it worked and pushed me farther into the hobby ..

A pack of analogs used to run me $6.00 ... oh, the outrage ..

I agree with you, but I also disagree with you. If you knew before hand that your 120 buck "junk ecig" was in fact junk, would you of still bought it, or would you look to get maybe something better? I think that is why these post come up often. Its people letting other people know to beware. If we didnt have ECF and posts like this I more then likely would still be puffing on an overpriced RN4081 hating the battery life. And even more likely I would probably be on analogs because of it.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I agree with you, but I also disagree with you. If you knew before hand that your 120 buck "junk ecig" was in fact junk, would you of still bought it, or would you look to get maybe something better? I think that is why these post come up often. Its people letting other people know to beware. If we didnt have ECF and posts like this I more then likely would still be puffing on an overpriced RN4081 hating the battery life. And even more likely I would probably be on analogs because of it.

If a person is a ECF member, then they don't need the info .. they already know .. and for those that discover ECF after the fact, it's already too late ..

 

[Nunnster]

Touche my friend.

 

[Dingus]

You will find that almost without exception every one of these rip offs is a KR808. For that simple reason I have not and will not buy anything KR808 related.

If you want to do some fun reaserch, check into what these marketers pay for these kits from KR when buying in bulk.

Well, off course you can do what you like, but I don't think it's a good idea to demonize 808 devices just because some people exploit them. I'm a fan of some 808 related devices myself (Bloog, Volt, etc). I find that those bottom coil carto's are quite nice.

 

[tj99959]

Well, off course you can do what you like, but I don't think it's a good idea to demonize 808 devices just because some people exploit them. I'm a fan of some 808 related devices myself (Bloog, Volt, etc). I find that those bottom coil carto's are quite nice.

It's not 808, it's KR. I have no problem with the 808 thread type devices other than those produced by KR.
My point is that KR will rebrand their products, and put anyones name on it (for a price)
The company has no ethics!

 

[ironslave]

If a person is a ECF member, then they don't need the info .. they already know .. and for those that discover ECF after the fact, it's already too late ..

These threads are still useful for those who just step into their research by googling the brand. They then come across this thread and they are then warned... You don't have to be an ECF member to find this information. It's how I start out when I look for stuff because threads carry alot of insight... This thread could be a gateway to ECF for many folks.

 

[Dingus]

It's not 808, it's KR. I have no problem with the 808 thread type devices other than those produced by KR.
My point is that KR will rebrand their products, and put anyones name on it (for a price)
The company has no ethics!

Oh, ok, got your point. I was just confused because you said "anything kr808 related", and all 808 thread type devices are related to them...

 

[bjannr]

The over priced and erroneous claims of these companies infuriates me. I have spoken with a few people who had bought into some of these products, and enede up totally disgusted with any e-cig. I couldn't even get one woman to try my Riva. So the fact that these rip-off companies are making untruthful claims and charging way too much could be hurting the industry instead of helping it. I have used 808, 510, 901, 801 devices an have enjoyed each one. It isn't so much the device, but rather the over pricing of the product that turns people off.

 

[wdave]

So I was at my local gas station and I noticed they sold these disposable e-cigs from a company called cigalectric. They looked like a carto type system so I figured they were a KR8 model. I looked it up online for the fun of it. Wow! Talk about wild claims. They are saying that a 5-pack of cartos equals a carton of cigarettes. They also say their disposables with two cartos equal 4-5 packs of cigarettes.

Check it out:
Products : Cigalectric

It seems like these claims from these types of vendors are getting more and more ridiculous as time goes on. They really aren't helping the e-cig market when people are getting such false advertising. Just wish there was something we could all do about it.

Keep vaping yourself and not get upset about what anyone else does.

 

[kinabaloo]

I think a normal carto is about 7-10 smokes to me, but others think differently.

I've seen claims of 1 carto = 30 cigs! A site that doesnt mention refilling and just hopes to sell prefilleds (which are often underfilled). In reality, it is closer to 3 !! Because you cant vape the lot - by the time half is used, one begins t get the burning taste.

If topping up a number of times, much less wasted. But still, the reality is more like 6. No way could it be 30!

 

[kinabaloo]

It's not 808, it's KR. I have no problem with the 808 thread type devices other than those produced by KR.
My point is that KR will rebrand their products, and put anyones name on it (for a price)
The company has no ethics!

I think your wrath is on the wrong target. It is common in business for manufacturers to make stuff fr different brands and for different brands to add value (or very often not). 808 is just a connector standard, after all.

Besides, some say that it was Kanger who invented the cartomiser concept. If so, that's a really big contribution to the vaping world.

 

[Semiretired]

But, like most people the first time around they want to see and feel the product before they buy it. I know I did. If I had not had a few friends that used e-cigs and two of them only knew about the pilot gas station njoys... then I would have started like they did. Those two friends are still on njoys because they do not trust buying something they cannot see...and they can run down the street and pick one up 24/7.

Lucky for me I hit google first and found this forum... Threads like this are what brought me to the forum. Good info and a few good people is what has kept me here.