FDA Certified???

[N rustica]

I noticed Hangsen and a number of e-liquid vendors stopped advertising themselves as being fda certified. If any e-liquid company or laboratory says they are fda certified or approved, they are liars or are sadly mistaken.

Is It Really FDA Approved?

At least Johnson Creek half acknowledges what FDA "registered" means. It means they filled out and submitted a form like anybody manufacturing an ingestible is REQUIRED to do, at least by the letter of the law. It's no added benefit as far as I can see when they say they are registered or their claim that they are "the first" to list their ingredients. Can you prove they are the first to comply with the law? The proof is in the tasting.

FDA Registration Information - Johnson Creek Smoke Juice fda registration letter dated june 4, 2011

Johnson Creek Enterprises, LLC 9/8/10 September 8, 2010 WARNING LETTER requesting they stop making unproven health claims about their products.


HAHAHA,..... another company selling "premium usa made" e-liquid. My suspicion is it's made in a Chinese slave camp no matter what propaganda films V4L produces saying it isn't.



I'm passionate about calling these unscrupulous companies out because personally I would've tried electronic cigarettes years ago if it wasn't for the sleazy dishonest marketing that is pervasive and seemingly acceptable to this industry.

 

[sailorman]

The vast majority of nicotine solution comes from China.
PG and VG may or may not come from there.
A "USA made" juice is mixed in the US from one or more China sourced ingredients.

Since nearly all the nicotine comes from China, I don't consider it misleading to state that a mixture made in the US is USA made. There is almost nothing made in the U.S. without at least one component sourced from another country.

I make my own juice. I use nicotine that almost certainly is originally supplied to my vendor's vendor at 99.8% concentration from China.
I don't sell it, but if I did, I'd call it USA made because that's where it is made.
Most people couldn't afford juice with nicotine source from the US or Europe.
There is such a thing and it's horrendously expensive.

If you saw the Chinese juice factories, like Dekang for example, you wouldn't characterize them as "slave camps".
I wouldn't hesitate to eat off the floor of a Dekang factory.
That's more than I can say about a lot of the kitchen counter juice labs in the U.S.
The biggest scandals in the nicotine and juice business in the last 2 years both involved US companies.
When Chinese companies screw up badly, they get thrown in jail. The melanine pet food incident is a case in point.
When an American company, like Box Elder, sends out 200mg nicotine labeled as 60mg nicotine, he has a recall and life goes on.

Your passion could be better spent elsewhere. Maybe start with American clothing manufacturers that run slave labor camps in the U.S. territory of the Marianas Islands and stick "Made in the USA" tags on them.

 

[N rustica]

there is a brand called "usa made" that is made in china.

 

[N rustica]

i saw an italian e-juice company do the same trick.

 

[N rustica]

i have nothing against chinese products. i think it's sleazy to be embarrassed by it to the point where you deceive the potential consumer. the italian company at least says IN SMALL PRINT on the side package that it is "assembled in china"

there is american and uk produced nicotine, it's about twice the price. i can't say it's better than chinese nicotine.

 

[sailorman]

i saw an italian e-juice company do the same trick.

I think I saw that same juice. The juice is made with Chinese nic and Italian flavorings, using an Italian recipe mixed in China.

Is it Chinese or Italian? Is it the nic that counts? The flavorings? Where it's mixed? Maybe they should call it "Italian Style".

Considering that nic is nic, PG is PG and VG is VG, assuming no contaminants, the only difference between juice is the flavorings and the proportions. I'd rather have Italian flavors & Chines nic assembled in a clean lab in China than Chinese flavorings and Chinese nic assembled in someone's garage in Kansas.

In a perfect world, where I am rich, I'd prefer to only use juice with American or European pharmaceutical grade nicotine. But in this world, I know that we are dealing with a chemical that comes in the country at 99.8%. I don't feel there is a significant risk of that other 0.2% being something dangerous. My taste buds aren't recovered enough from years of smoking to taste the difference.

 

[OneDayIllQuit]

It seems to me that now we live in a truly global economy the distinctions start to mean less and less. Before 'made in China' it was Korea, and before that Hong Kong. There is very little in the way of consumer goods that it truly local these days. In the UK we have food labelling laws that are pretty strict, but a ready-meal cooked in the UK but made from ingredients from all over the world can still be called British.

 

[Boognish]

I bought some VG juice at a local smoke shop in CT. The brand is called Smart Smokes from Albany, NY. On the bottle they claim to offer the "ONLY LAB-CERTIFIED E-LIQUID IN THE WORLD." What does that mean anyway?
Smart Smokes LLC - Albany, NY (New York) | (518) 863-4581

 

[mwa102464]

@ spiral out keep going,

That's a bunch of Crap in my opinion, but one helluva good marketing advertisement

 

[Boognish]

@ spiral out keep going,

That's a bunch of Crap in my opinion, but one helluva good marketing advertisement

My thoughts exactly.......

 

[Wil]

i saw an italian e-juice company do the same trick.

There actually is an Italian company that has gone through all the trouble to be approved by the ITALIAN VERSION of the FDA. It was very expensive. I can't remember the name of the company, but I think Ovale sells it in the US.

Haven't tried it, dunno much about it other than the fact that it was certified in Italy. There are other companies going that route in New Zealand I think...

 

[Wil]

I bought some VG juice at a local smoke shop in CT. The brand is called Smart Smokes from Albany, NY. On the bottle they claim to offer the "ONLY LAB-CERTIFIED E-LIQUID IN THE WORLD." What does that mean anyway?
Smart Smokes LLC - Albany, NY (New York) | (518) 863-4581

If I owned a "Lab", I'd certify that it is, in fact, eliquid... for a price!

No, I wouldn't, but someone would...

 

[mwa102464]

Great clean all around Nic with awesome flavorings mixed just freaking right is what makes a super juice, nobody can tell me any different,, Nic's been around for a long time, so have some dam good flavorings, once and if the FDA or Big Tobacco gets involved it will be like doomsday to the vaping world and all eliquids !!! just how I see it, why change what works now and is super

 

[EJH]

RTS Vapes states on their website that their nic is 100% grown and processed in the US (North Carolina to be more specific). Wizard Labs uses, they say, a Johnson and Johnson-affiliated lab to produce their nic, though they don't say where that lab is located. Both RTS's and WL's prices are among the lowest I've found for nic and I've used both quite a bit and am quite satisfied.

And it doesn't take a month to get to me in the mail.

(Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with either RTS or WL beyond being a customer. I also have no way of verifying the veracity of their websites, but I have no reason to doubt them either.)

 

[elfstone]

I usually don't ... but... here I must ask: what are we talking about?

I fail to see a point or a direction to this discussion... SO ... is it because ingredients are made in China the juice mixed in the US? Or the lab thing? Or... what, really?!

BTW, Johnson&Johnson uses nicotine from China and India in their products. So what?

 

[FishingBuffalo]

My 2cents worth- The FDA doesn't approve anything. They just say OK to go to market. That letter that went out to juice manufacturers was an attempt to get voluntary info to harm this industry. As soon as someone responds they (FDA) will use that as ammo to get their grubby little fingers involved and use trivial issues to warrant trying to regulate the ecig industry.

 

[chaos-7]

Labs keep their locations a secret for a vary good reason! Animal rights idiots such as W.A.R. and A.L.F. have caused a lot of damage to Med. research labs.I know a great deal about this problem and I have been fighting against them for years.
Both R.T.S. and Wizard Labs I am sure, are telling the truth.

These are the kind of people I`m talking about. The North American Animal Liberation Press Office

 

[Foxfur]

I worked at one of the 8 National Primate Research Centers here in the US. I know firsthand about the wild claims and up close and ugly personal confrontational methods they employ during public demonstrations outside the gates to our facility. Sheesh! They have no clue as to the great benefits to the world that have been produced by the research conducted there. Our center developed medications and therapies for AIDS / HIV, hepatitis, cancer, depression, premature birth, birth defect prevention, etc. We treated the animals humanely and they have far better survival rates there than in the wild.....

I have no respect for companies that claim FDA certification of their ingredients or products. Their baseless claims insult my intelligence and are downright fraudulent. Their subversive tactics WILL impact the industry and result in increased scrutiny by uninformed and ignorant bureaucrats and legislators using their fraud as a pretense to curtail availability to what I consider to be life extension elixir.
The employment of obfuscatory marketing techniques is disgusting...

 

[sailorman]

What animal research labs extract and produce nicotine? You're talking apples and oranges.
Animal rights groups don't attack labs that make nicotine. Ant-tobacco militants might, but not animal rights groups.
Animal rights groups attack labs that use animals in certain types of medical research.
Medical research labs might use nicotine in their research, but that's an entirely different issue.
Labs whose business it is is to produce nicotine dont keep their locations secret.
Some e-juice labs do, but that's for competitive reasons.

 

[sailorman]

RTS Vapes states on their website that their nic is 100% grown and processed in the US (North Carolina to be more specific). Wizard Labs uses, they say, a Johnson and Johnson-affiliated lab to produce their nic, though they don't say where that lab is located. Both RTS's and WL's prices are among the lowest I've found for nic and I've used both quite a bit and am quite satisfied.

And it doesn't take a month to get to me in the mail.

(Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with either RTS or WL beyond being a customer. I also have no way of verifying the veracity of their websites, but I have no reason to doubt them either.)

S&G, in China makes nicotine for Johnson & Johnson, among other US pharma companies.
So do a few other Chinese companies.
I got a quote on 99.8% pure nicotine. 1kg (1 liter) was something like $250 shipped.
It's cheap as dirt, really. It works out to less than $30/liter for 100mg. nic.
RTS does it's own testing on it's nicotine. I do know that much.