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FDA response to lawsuits.

Discussion in 'FDA Regulations' started by skoony, Aug 18, 2016.

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  1. Lessifer

    Lessifer Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Or the millions of adults who began habitual nicotine use as adolescents without developmental problems?
     
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  2. Bea-FL

    Bea-FL Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    I know it doesn't matter what I think but no serious resarcher or scientist would seriously consider any study or paper that is not properly referenced backing the claims. There is a good reason for this. Anyone can make claims but where is the proof?

    In the case of vaping, without solid proof behind the government's claims of health dangers, or addiction, or attraction to youth, there would be no reason for this whole mess. But wait! This is about money not about health etc. therefore no need of proof.
     
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  3. bigdancehawk

    bigdancehawk Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2010
    Kansas City, Missouri
    Now you just hold on there! Just think of how successful a general Dwight Eisenhower could have been if he hadn't taken up smoking at an early age.
     
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  4. bigdancehawk

    bigdancehawk Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 27, 2010
    Kansas City, Missouri
    How dare you question the legitimacy of concerns for the well being of the cheeldreen? As in: studies have raised serious concerns about the effects of nicotine on the adolescent brain. Or: recent studies have given rise to concerns among leading experts about youth transitioning from ENDS to deadly combustible cigarettes. While the research is not yet conclusive, legitimate concerns about the health and welfare of the cheeldreen have been raised. Therefore, whatever the FDA does is fully justified, if only as a precautionary measure to protect the cheeldreen from the dangers of highly addictive nicotine and other toxic substances which are know to be present in some ENDS products until there is conclusive research addressing these concerns.

    See how easy that is? You can't win this argument. Concerns about the cheeldreen, our most precious resource, will always win.
     
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  5. Bea-FL

    Bea-FL Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    Yuh really how stupid of me to be concerned about the lack of documentation.
     
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  6. Endor

    Endor Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 31, 2012
    Southern California
    A lack of true science, with documented and repeatable studies, doesn't matter anymore. The mere fact that a concern exists is enough for draconian regulation. This scenario is playing out all over the place, from vaping to climate change. We've become a soundbite culture without the time nor inclination to actually read a study, and critically think about it. People are force fed these concerns from the so-called "experts in the field" without any critical thought applied.
     
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  7. Bea-FL

    Bea-FL Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    you took the words right out of my mouth.
     
  8. Buckeyevapen

    Buckeyevapen Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 22, 2016
    So is today the day that Nicorp has to respond back?
     
  9. Robino1

    Robino1 ECF Moderator Senior Moderator Verified Member ECF Veteran

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  10. Fozzy71

    Fozzy71 Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 7, 2016
    8 Mile + 2.5
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  11. Semiretired

    Semiretired Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Middle Georgia
  12. Buckeyevapen

    Buckeyevapen Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 22, 2016
    So who has some legal thoughts to share? I have read the entire reply and think that some of the arguments are well laid out.
     
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  13. skoony

    skoony Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Jul 31, 2013
    saint paul,mn,usa
    Thanks @Robino1 for the link.
    Under the heading that words mean something, here's one item
    that stuck out to me.
    "FDA does not dispute that vaping products offer important
    health advantages to traditional tobacco products. Nicopure Mem. 17–18. And as FDA
    admits, vaping is “not responsible for the high prevalence of tobacco-related death and disease in
    this country”" From the summery.
    This is the specific part that caught my eye. It was mentioned more than once in
    the pdf.
    vaping is “not responsible for the high prevalence of tobacco-related death and disease in
    this country”
    Right from the horses mouth. This is a definitive statement. This is what a lot of us
    have been saying for a long,long time. What do they know that concurs with what
    everyone else here has been saying? This is tacit admission that vaping is safe.
    This begs the question what is all of this about? (rhetorical question)
    This is like saying "We know it isn't hurting anyone,step on it anyway."
    They could have said vaping in not responsible for,or it is unknown if or how much
    tobacco related disease and illness it causes. They did not say that. They have
    said e-liquid and hardware is a tobacco product and "not responsible" for "any"
    tobacco related death and disease in this country.

    IMHO it can not become much clearer how far this has come. When a government
    agency can admit in court papers that they have no reason to regulate something
    but do it anyway and,everyone still goes along with the charade. What am I
    missing here?
    :2c:
    Regards
    Mike
     
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  14. Buckeyevapen

    Buckeyevapen Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 22, 2016
    Does anyone know if the FDA gets the opportunity to respond to this response brief? If so, is it a 1 week deadline?
     
  15. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Supporting member
    Dec 14, 2013
    SE PA
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  16. Semiretired

    Semiretired Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Middle Georgia
    $$ Chaching $$
     
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  17. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    What you're missing is the important and crucial question of whether or not electronic cigarettes are a net benefit for public health. If they are attractive to children, and if children start using them and then move on to real cigarettes, then that's super extra double bad.

    We think the idea is absurd.
    But the FDA just doesn't know at this point.
     
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  18. Semiretired

    Semiretired Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Sep 24, 2011
    Middle Georgia
    But they are claiming it even without knowing it...
     
  19. Knifemaker

    Knifemaker Super Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jan 17, 2010
    Central Texas
    The government does not, or has not in the past been in the habit of banning something that they admit they know Nothing About! If they had real reservations, they would commission a study to ascertain the facts. No attempt has been made to gather any facts whatsoever. Other Countries have. Such as Great Britain. which presented the Studies to the U.S. Government, which immediately dismissed the findings, as they did not fit the agenda.

    I may want to sell shoes. Do I have to prove to the Fed's that a given shoe I am wanting to sell has benefit to the public?

    This has NEVER in American History been a criterion for producing a producth. If this stands, what else will it eventually encompass? The Sky's the limit! A full Dictatorial Government seem the end goal lately.

    Knife
     
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  20. DC2

    DC2 Tootie Puffer Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 21, 2009
    San Diego
    Quit peeking behind the curtain.
    Nothing to see there.

    There are 413 people in this world that read far enough to see behind that curtain.
    And nobody else even cares.

    Hence, the curtain, the ever-lasting hypocrisy, the lack of accountability.
    The voices of truth are all but silenced.

    Maybe some day we'll all see what is happening and vote them ALL out.
    Start over without those who make a career of this.
     
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