I was just curious & maybe someone could shed some light on this topic. Who cares if the FDA approves e cigs? As far as I know the FDA has not or could not approve cigarettes with it's 4,000 deadly chemicals. Are people too naive to see this?
FDA Why are they involved???
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Here's some information about how the FDA got involved.
Overview of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act: Consumer fact Sheet
Overview of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act: Consumer fact Sheet
The FDA doesn't just "approve" or "ban" products for human consumption ...they also have the authority to "regulate" products that they determine 'might' pose a significant public health risk. Where do you think all those "do not drink bleach" warning labels come from?I was just curious & maybe someone could shed some light on this topic. Who cares if the FDA approves e cigs? As far as I know the FDA has not or could not approve cigarettes with it's 4,000 deadly chemicals. Are people too naive to see this?
I look for Bill Godshall's threads to keep me informed. Here's a thread started in 2011 but runs up to yesterday. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-products-eliminate-many-most-companies.html.
I've been on this forum since the end of 2009 and watched the court case, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ads-everything-relevant-njoy-vs-fda-case.html, unfold.
I've been on this forum since the end of 2009 and watched the court case, http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ads-everything-relevant-njoy-vs-fda-case.html, unfold.
In broad strokes, for the public health. To protect the public from having someone manufacture juice made with antifreeze.
Long story short, The FDA was initially claiming e-cigs were a drug and delivery device combo which would fall under their control and to therefore ban them. One of the things that gave them ammunition to make that claim was people selling them as a smoking cessation product and saying they were healthier than analogs. These constituted medical claims for which there was no supporting evidence. They lost that case so in order to regulate or ban them they have to show that they could be harmful. If they find a few samples with harmful chemicals or have some idiot kill himself by drinking juice that would probably be all they need to justify a ban. As far as analogs, tobacco was purposely kept out of their jurisdiction because when the agency was founded too many politicians had investments in tobacco. This is why we have the ATF.
You've gotten some good links, but to answer your question specifically...
The FDA got involved way back in 2009 when numerous parties asked them to get involved.
Those parties would be the various "non-profit" organizations like the ALA, AMA, AHA, ACS, CTFK, and others.
They asked the FDA to shut down electronic cigarettes because they were a threat to their agendas.
When you start to get into what their agendas are, it becomes far more interesting...
--To keep the money flowing to their benefactors (Big Pharma)
--To keep their "non-profit" organizations rich and powerful and influential
--To eliminate the threat to their decades-long plan to demonize users of nicotine
If you're really interested you might want to read Velvet Glove, Iron Fist by Christopher Snowden.
And of course, this...
FORCES International - News Portal
What's funny is that before I got involved with electronic cigarettes, I thought a whole lot differently than I do now.
What I have learned over the years is hard to put into words that don't sound crazy.
The FDA got involved way back in 2009 when numerous parties asked them to get involved.
Those parties would be the various "non-profit" organizations like the ALA, AMA, AHA, ACS, CTFK, and others.
They asked the FDA to shut down electronic cigarettes because they were a threat to their agendas.
When you start to get into what their agendas are, it becomes far more interesting...
--To keep the money flowing to their benefactors (Big Pharma)
--To keep their "non-profit" organizations rich and powerful and influential
--To eliminate the threat to their decades-long plan to demonize users of nicotine
If you're really interested you might want to read Velvet Glove, Iron Fist by Christopher Snowden.
And of course, this...
FORCES International - News Portal
What's funny is that before I got involved with electronic cigarettes, I thought a whole lot differently than I do now.
What I have learned over the years is hard to put into words that don't sound crazy.
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Why in the world the "Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act" placing tobacco products under the control of the FDA even exists is beyond me when there is the Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.
Damn I'm glad that I don't have to worry about antifreeze killing my pets anymore!
wonders how many heads that will just fly right over
Damn I'm glad that I don't have to worry about antifreeze killing my pets anymore!
wonders how many heads that will just fly right over
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Soterra vs. FDA was a Godsend to us.
The court quite literally ..... slapped FDA for their reasoning and took away the biggest maul they had: The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, and forced them to consider the much smaller tack hammer in the 2009 Tobacco Act.
As long as cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos remain legal, so will the products we use. Anything else won't survive the first day in federal court.
They can't ban flavored liquids because Menthol and flavored cigars are still legal and that's an equal protection cause.
They can't ban e-cig devices because they can be used to vaporize anything from unflavored PG to 100mg nicotine.
They can't ban unflavored nic juice because it has medicinal and other uses.
FDA is in a conundrum and they know it. That's why the dreaded "deeming" regulation announcement keeps getting delayed. All the while, clinical study after clinical study shows that there are practically zero harmful effects associated with e-cig use.
Perhaps I'm overly confident, naive and overly optimistic, but I think Soterra will end up being a landmark case that we'll all point to and say, "thank you, your honor."
The court quite literally ..... slapped FDA for their reasoning and took away the biggest maul they had: The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, and forced them to consider the much smaller tack hammer in the 2009 Tobacco Act.
As long as cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos remain legal, so will the products we use. Anything else won't survive the first day in federal court.
They can't ban flavored liquids because Menthol and flavored cigars are still legal and that's an equal protection cause.
They can't ban e-cig devices because they can be used to vaporize anything from unflavored PG to 100mg nicotine.
They can't ban unflavored nic juice because it has medicinal and other uses.
FDA is in a conundrum and they know it. That's why the dreaded "deeming" regulation announcement keeps getting delayed. All the while, clinical study after clinical study shows that there are practically zero harmful effects associated with e-cig use.
Perhaps I'm overly confident, naive and overly optimistic, but I think Soterra will end up being a landmark case that we'll all point to and say, "thank you, your honor."
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No, not even close, although I suspect you were being sarcastic?
No, I wasn't being sarcastic, just making a very large generalization, IMHO. As you have pointed out there are a grand confluence of special interest groups, each with their own agendas, manipulating the FDA and what they "regulate".
Have you been in contact with CASAA to offer your viewpoints?
I'm only asking because it sounds like you have some background and something useful to offer.
You can email them here: board@casaa.org
I'm already willing to say thank you everytime I get out of bed, take a large deep breath and not feel like I have the lung capacity of a four year old. Now if vaping could only promote weightloss.
Have you been in contact with CASAA to offer your viewpoints?
I'm only asking because it sounds like you have some background and something useful to offer.
You can email them here: board@casaa.org
They can't afford me, but I am a policy analyst and consultant. I keep people out of trouble with federal and state agencies and help the same federal and state agencies stay out of court with their decisions.
I could volunteer some of my time, but the heavy lifting costs more than CASAA can afford right now.
If anyone is new to vaping and is interested in this subject material, please go to the CASAA website CASAA - The Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association, our political advocate for the freedom to use e-cigarettes. This volunteer agency is working both behind the scene and also with "call to action" with federal, state, and local banning attempts for e-cig usage.
If you are not yet a member of CASAA, I strongly urge you to become one. It is free to join and only takes a minute. The link to join is in my signature. We need more vapors to become CASAA members, because numbers represent strength in any political organization. If you wish to keep your right to vape, join up and make a donation if you can.
If you are not yet a member of CASAA, I strongly urge you to become one. It is free to join and only takes a minute. The link to join is in my signature. We need more vapors to become CASAA members, because numbers represent strength in any political organization. If you wish to keep your right to vape, join up and make a donation if you can.
That sounds very promising.
Maybe you could contact them and have a roundtable discussion with the CASAA board.
You may not be in a position to provide all the help they need, but you could educate them to make them more effective.
Anything that anyone can do to make CASAA stronger and more effective should be welcomed.
I'm sure that CASAA would Appreciate Any level of Help.
Even it is just a Single Page of Bullet Listed Concepts that You think May or May Not be areas to Concentrate their Efforts on.
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