FDA Why are they involved???

[Coastal Cowboy]

I'm sure that CASAA would Appreciate Any level of Help.

Even it is just a Single Page of Bullet Listed Concepts that You think May or May Not be areas to Concentrate their Efforts on.

That sounds very promising.

Maybe you could contact them and have a roundtable discussion with the CASAA board.
You may not be in a position to provide all the help they need, but you could educate them to make them more effective.

Anything that anyone can do to make CASAA stronger and more effective should be welcomed.

I've contacted them.

If I can help and fit them in with my other clients, then help them I will.

 

[Digital Man]

Thanks everyone there is a lot of good info here, it's a lot to digest.

 

[skyztheLynnit]

I've contacted them.

If I can help and fit them in with my other clients, then help them I will.

Yay!!

10char

 

[Robino1]

Soterra vs. FDA was a Godsend to us.

The court quite literally ..... slapped FDA for their reasoning and took away the biggest maul they had: The Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act, and forced them to consider the much smaller tack hammer in the 2009 tobacco Act.

As long as cigarettes, cigars and cigarillos remain legal, so will the products we use. Anything else won't survive the first day in federal court.

They can't ban flavored liquids because Menthol and flavored cigars are still legal and that's an equal protection cause.

They can't ban e-cig devices because they can be used to vaporize anything from unflavored PG to 100mg nicotine.

They can't ban unflavored nic juice because it has medicinal and other uses.

FDA is in a conundrum and they know it. That's why the dreaded "deeming" regulation announcement keeps getting delayed. All the while, clinical study after clinical study shows that there are practically zero harmful effects associated with e-cig use.

Perhaps I'm overly confident, naive and overly optimistic, but I think Soterra will end up being a landmark case that we'll all point to and say, "thank you, your honor."

The FDA are now going after menthol cigs. SMH

 

[nctrekken]

This is True.

You also can Not Tax something very well unless it is Regulated.

That is the key. The FDA has approved many things that end up killing people, but the real story is regulation. They see how vaping is doing and the effect on the BT companies. Now the government is losing income and will find a way to regulate vaping and begin taxing.

 

[Rickajho]

Soterra vs. FDA was a Godsend to us.

They can't ban flavored liquids because Menthol and flavored cigars are still legal and that's an equal protection cause.

Really? Then take it to the State and City jurisdictions. Those "...for the children!!!" weenies have been pushing bans on flavored cigars & smokeless products on local levels, because they are "yucky things that appeal to 12 year olds."

12 year old drug users/sellers, perhaps. But if a 12 year old has got that far I'd be inclined to say you have already lost the battle and a flavored cigar had little to do with it. No matter, the "...for the children!!!" camp can't apply better logic than a 12 year old and they still get these stupid local bans passed with referendum votes.

 

[wv2win]

I'm sure that CASAA would Appreciate Any level of Help.

Even it is just a Single Page of Bullet Listed Concepts that You think May or May Not be areas to Concentrate their Efforts on.

If we encouraged more people to join and support CASAA, maybe they would have enough money to pay for this level of experienced help instead of "schlep" for it?? Unfortunately, some don't think that is a good idea.

 

[zoiDman]

If we encouraged more people to join and support CASAA, maybe they would have enough money to pay for this level of experienced help instead of "schlep" for it?? Unfortunately, some don't think that is a good idea.

Maybe

Maybe if Everyone was a Supporting Member of the ECF than the ECF could give some Money to Causes that they think could Do the Most Good.

Hard to say what Could or Couldn't Be. If we could, Life would be Much Easier.

 

[zoiDman]

The FDA are now going after menthol cigs. SMH

This is an Ongoing Battle which Lorillard has the Biggest part to Lose.

You might have Noticed that the FDA recently Approved Two New Cigarettes for Sale. Both are Non-Menthol. Both are going to be Made by Lorillard.

Some believe that this is the FDA's way of being Equitable with Lorillard. And that Menthol Restriction are coming.

 

[Coulson]

The tobacco lobbyist are one of the most powerful machines on the planet... What's naive is the belief that the FDA cannot be influenced by them. Remember, at the end of the day, its not about what is safe of not... Its about $$, and e-cigs cut into big tobacco profits. Why do you think that they are now trying to develop their own e-cig?

Post script: Think about this: The Tobacco Companies, like Philip Morris are in our everyday lives regardless of smoking. Example, Philip Morris also owns Kraft Foods & General Foods. The people who killed us slowly with cigs and the same ones selling us dairy and dry goods. Do you think your cereal or cheese is safe too because the FDA says its fine? Have you personally done the lab study on it to see the results? No, probably not... you just take them at their word. As have I in the past. Just saying

 

[stevegmu]

I think a good lesson to learn here is that voting has consequences. Vote in those who want a nanny state and that's what you get.

 

[Ken_A]

People no longer vote by platform. They vote for the person who LOOKS more trustworthy. So we get what we have.

 

[skyztheLynnit]

Maybe

Maybe if Everyone was a Supporting Member of the ECF than the ECF could give some Money to Causes that they think could Do the Most Good.

Hard to say what Could or Couldn't Be. If we could, Life would be Much Easier.

That's what i did. . I became a supporting member for 2 reasons.. it indirectly helps CASAA.. it also helps to pay for bandwidth. .

As far as motivating folks to join CASAA. . I believe there is a right way to motivate people. . If you tell them "you really should because if you don't, you will pay a price!" THAT does not motivate people.. it's a fear tactic and mamy don't respond well to that line of reasoning..

IMO.. it's easier to catch flies with honey. (You know the saying) . If you try to ram it down my throat i will bite your opinion off and spit it back on you. If you explain a concept to me as to why i should participate and it's benefits.. and you do it in a respectful manner.. i will be MUCH more likely to join the cause.

This is not directed at you zoid...

 

[Robino1]

That's what i did. . I became a supporting member for 2 reasons.. it indirectly helps CASAA.. it also helps to pay for bandwidth. .

As far as motivating folks to join CASAA. . I believe there is a right way to motivate people. . If you tell them "you really should because if you don't, you will pay a price!" THAT does not motivate people.. it's a fear tactic and mamy don't respond well to that line of reasoning..

IMO.. it's easier to catch flies with honey. (You know the saying) . If you try to ram it down my throat i will bite your opinion off and spit it back on you. If you explain a concept to me as to why i should participate and it's benefits.. and you do it in a respectful manner.. i will be MUCH more likely to join the cause.

This is not directed at you zoid...

OMG This!!!!!

If you come at me telling me I SHOULD and HAVE to or it will be my fault if things don't change and to not cry when vaping is no longer an option. That just irritates the heck out of me.

What Lynn said! 100%. You catch more flies with honey. Yes be passionate but Without the fanatic, zealot overtones. Demanding that a person does something doesn't work. Suggesting or asking goes a much longer way.

 

[Glen Snyder]

The FDA are now going after menthol cigs. SMH

I saw that, but their reasoning was amateurish and scientifically unsound. Completely anectdotal and full of assumption not based in fact IMHO.

 

[Robino1]

I saw that, but their reasoning was amateurish and scientifically unsound. Completely anectdotal and full of assumption not based in fact IMHO.

Most what the FDA has done to date is anecdotal, full of assumption and not based on fact. I don't see them as changing anytime soon....

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

Most what the FDA has done to date is anecdotal, full of assumption and not based on fact. I don't see them as changing anytime soon....

In any effort to ban menthol, they will have to rely on sound science because they'll have a major fight on their hands. The tobacco companies won't just roll over like they did on the other flavored cigs. Those were small parts of their revenue stream and fighting it out in federal court wasn't worth it.

Menthol cigs are different. They easily represent half of all cigarette sales and they are Lorillard's biggest.

That fight will be long and bitter and the court will have no choice but to rule based on the scientific merits of each side's argument.

Market research also shows that menthol is the overwhelming choice of African American smokers. When they get wind of a proposed ban on menthol, the PR hit is going to be big news.

 

[Glen Snyder]

"But Lorillard has been able to gain market share, with its domestic slice rising 0.5 share points to 14.9 percent, based largely on increases by its flagship Newport brand. Lorillard, the nation's third largest tobacco maker, continues to dominate the menthol market, with Newport carrying a 40.5 percent market share in the first half of the year."

Lorillard nets $313M in profit during second quarter - Greensboro - The Business Journal

Think Lorillard is going to roll over? Think again...

 

[zoiDman]

This data is a little Dated, 2008, but it does have some Interesting Information.

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Adviso...uctsScientificAdvisoryCommittee/UCM207153.pdf

NOTE: As with ANY Trial/Study/Survey, consider the Source and attempt to Verify it's Validity Independently verses just taking it for Face Value.

 

[wv2win]

Maybe

Maybe if Everyone was a Supporting Member of the ECF than the ECF could give some Money to Causes that they think could Do the Most Good.

Hard to say what Could or Couldn't Be. If we could, Life would be Much Easier.

Nothing wrong with supporting ECF but if a person can only afford to support one or the other in the fight to keep vaping from being severely restricted, CASAA is the best option. ECF has corporate funding, CASAA does not. CASAA actively interacts with Legislators to positively influence laws on vaping, ECF does not. CASAA is funding studies to support the harm reduction aspect of vaping, ECF is not. Both groups are important to the vaping cause.

Your aversion to wanting vapers to join and support CASAA doesn't make sense.