Fight for your right to vape (EU)

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jhelliwell

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It's getting critical for European vapers. As the banner on the top of ECF states, "Regulations which will ban almost everything we use and that we know work. No liquids, no flavors, no tanks, 20mg limit on pre filled carts. Now is the time to write to your MP/MEP and demand action against this ridiculous threat."

I urge all EU members to actually write to their MEP. Please write a message personally worded by yourself. Use this as a reference, and use www.writetothem.com to contact them. Please be polite, informed and measured.

I have myself written a well worded letter to my Member of Parliament, and all of my Members of the European Parliament. Please do the same.

I have deliberately posted this in General Discussion, since it gets more traffic than the EU legislation forum.
 

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I'm in the UK, I have signed a few petitions and finished my letter to my MP just need to send a copy to the MEP too. I keep seeing these types of threads, but only on forums like this. There doesn't seem to be much information being spread around the off-line community. What are our vape suppliers doing to protect their businesses, they should be sending out emails to customers, information should be available at local B&M stores. I haven't even seen any posts on FB without searching for them or sharing them myself, we need more support!
 

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Vapegear sent out a FB posting, and I have shared. Didn't see much from anyone else though. Encourangly enough, the petition at avaaz.org has gained >10,000 supporters in a really short time. Fight all the way, and don't think "I can't be bothered, let the other people do it" because if everybody thought that way, we would be doomed.

I'm glad you've taken the time to write :cheers:
 

zeroclue

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Its the guy/gal who went out last week and bought their first cigalike or ce4 kit, or the people buying ecigs for friends and family to give as Xmas gifts we need to reach, unless they come online looking for advice or better devices, they have no idea about the options available or that a ban has even been proposed. If it wasn't for ECF and similar sites I wouldn't know about it either!

We need international vapers day, we need every vaper, online supplier, B&M store, forum and FB page to make as much noise as possible, if everyone shouts loud enough at the same time it will be more effective and reach a wider audience.
 
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Update: Good news. I received this most excellent email today from my MEP

Dear Mr Helliwell

Thank you for your email regarding the new proposals for the regulation of electronic cigarettes.

Your MEP has asked me to reply to you on his behalf.

As a British Democratic Party MEP, he recognises that the civil liberties and personal freedoms of European citizens are being continuously undermined by the introduction of new legislation. In the case of public health, if the state seeks to remove all possible risks to health and personal well-being - as defined by those who happen to hold the reins of power at the time - there will be no end to the regulations necessary to deliver such an ambitious, utopian target.

He believes that individual choice is an essential element in a free society and he sought to protect this when the revised Tobacco Products Directive was debated in the European Parliament last month. In a rare display of common sense, MEPs rejected the proposal to subject electronic cigarettes to the same regulatory standards as medicines, when it was put to the vote in October 2013.

As is customary, however, within EU-style democracy, this is not the end of the matter and revised proposals are currently being discussed. MEPs in the European Parliament will, no doubt, be required to re-consider the Commission's proposals until they deliver the desired 'Yes' vote!

On a more general note, your MEP opposes all unnecessary interference in affairs which are rightly the concern of national governments. Despite the fact that British standards are usually of the highest level, the EU seeks continuously to replace them in the drive towards European “harmonisation”. It defies common sense that 766 MEPs from 28 European Member States - with just 73 from the United Kingdom - have the power to impose standardized legislation on the British people. In his view, policy decisions on economic, social and political matters should be made by the British Government, with reference primarily to the best interests of the British people. In order to maintain our national sovereignty and protect our right to determine our own destiny, Britain must leave the European Union as soon as possible.

In the meantime, please be assured that your MEP will continue to vote against unnecessary and authoritarian EU diktats that curtail British citizens' freedom of choice.

Kind regards
 

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I got another reply from another MEP today. While the reply is great, and encouraging, it is also grim reading

Dear John,

Thank you for your email regarding the future regulation of e cigarettes and the Tobacco directive. Negotiations between the European Parliament and national governments (“trialogues”) on the tobacco products directive have begun and several meetings have already taken place. There is a strong desire to try and reach agreement on the tobacco directive during the Lithuanian Presidency, which runs until the end of the year.

National governments are represented by the Lithuanian Presidency and the EP negotiating team is led by the rapporteur Labour MEP Linda McAvan (Labour, Yorkshire and the Humber) along with the shadow rapporteurs from the other political groups. The Liberal group, ALDE, which I belong to is represented by Belgian Liberal MEP Frédérique Ries, co-author along with myself and Chris Davies of amendment 170 on e-cigarettes.

After the first trialogue meeting which addressed the issue of e-cigarettes, Frédérique tweeted “It’s going badly for e-cigs in trialogue, the Lithuanian Presidency doesn’t want to listen at all. Not a gesture, no willingness whatsoever! I am fighting against a brick wall”. However, along with Frédérique, the centre right (EPP) and Conservative (ECR) representatives have made it clear that e-cigarettes are a red line for them. If those three groups (ALDE, EPP and ECR) vote along the same lines, they form a majority in the European Parliament and once an agreement is reached on the tobacco directive, it will have to be approved by the Parliament (a simple yes/no vote). An agreement on the tobacco directive which is not fully supported by three political groups which constitute a majority of MEPs is unwise, and therein lies the hope for sensible regulation of e-cigarettes.

Since the July 2013 position of national governments on the tobacco directive, which included an agreement to support medicines regulation for e-cigarettes, the ground has shifted significantly. Not only did the European Parliament clearly vote against medicines regulation, but action at national level has drawn this matter to public and political attention. In addition, there have apparently been complaints to the Lithuanians that they are going too quickly on e-cigs without allowing national governments the chance to consider other options.

The key country right now is France, which is believed to no longer be supportive of the medicines route for e-cigarettes (and was reluctantly supportive previously), although no official change of position has been announced. In France, 100 leading doctors recently sent a letter to the French government asking them to act on this issue and push for sensible regulation. It is thought that if France changes its position on e-cigs, this may lead other countries to do the same. The irony of a Socialist government in France opposing medicines regulation of e-cigs, contrary to the position of the Socialist group in the European Parliament, while a Conservative/Lib Dem coalition government in the UK supports medicines regulation against its own MEPs, is not lost on me!

What is needed right now from a UK perspective is to get increasing numbers of Westminster MPs to question the government/MHRA position. Some Liberal Democrat colleagues of mine at Westminster including Norman Lamb MP, the social care minister, Dan Rogerson MP and Lorely Burt MP have been doing this as has Conservative MP Sarah Woolleston, who is a GP. I will carry on trying to win over Lib Dem colleagues at Westminster, but this effort needs to be extended to Conservative and Labour MPs too. I would therefore repeat my previous call for concerned individuals to contact their MP to raise this issue (see my blog: E-cigarettes and tobacco directive: what's next?).

Thank you again for making contact. The battle for sensible regulation of e-cigs is not yet over and can still be won!

Regards
 
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