Finally, test results worth reading

[TropicalBob]

http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/lpdlabs.doc

Pillbox had liquid tested! Real information, no speculation. Congrats, Pillbox.

 

[vape4life]

http://tobaccoharmreduction.org/lpdlabs.doc

Pillbox had liquid tested! Real information, no speculation. Congrats, Pillbox.

Excellent. I think I found my new permanent liquid supplier.

I find it worth noting that they mention glycerol as a safer alternative. It would be interesting to see the result if they tested ATOMERIZED glycerol solution with Gas Chromatography. That would be a definitive answer to this acrolein question.

I also would like an answer on the dihydrocumarin... added? byproduct? hmm.

 

[vape4life]

Apparently dihydrocoumarin is used in some flavorings. Maybe that is the source?

So, TD50 for dihydrocoumarin is ~3000 mg/kg/day in rats, ~700 mg/kg/day in mice, who knows in humans. But those are HUGE numbers. Which means not very carcinogenic.

But obviously... I'd rather it not be there...

 

[Apatel]

Great report, some concern, but denfiately better than analogs!!

 

[DaveyRoots]

it would be nice to see a company do a GC MS of johnsons creek non PG vegetable glycerine liquids.


EDIT: by the way thank you TB for finding/posting this, one of my customers at work is a lung doctor at balboa navy hospital here in san diego and he has asked me to compile all the known research on these things. hes a smoker Ironicly lol

 

[rusmoking]

Does anyone think this report should've been compared to an anolog cig, for chemical comparison purposes? Maybe not all 6,000 (whatever the number is), but at least the more dangerous ones in the higher percentage brackets.

 

[Lithium1330]

This report has been available since sept-2008:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...smoking-liquid-about-hit-uk-20.html#post39187

 

[kinabaloo]

3,4-Dihydro Cumarin is indeed a flavouring : Dihydro coumarin

It seems to be an artificial flavour.

 

[Johnsky]

If this report has been around since 2008, then where does the FDA get off telling us no testing has been done yet?

Or is the FDA expecting us to subject a group of test subjects to it for a few generations before letting it pass?

 

[Sun Vaporer]

For those that missed them, the test results done by Pony for Ruyan are very promising:

Pony Testing identifies themselves as:
PONY TEST(Short for PONY TESTing International Group),the leading testing organization, has qualification of the CNAS and CMA, gets mutually recognized agreement including USA, UK, Germany etc. 58 countries and regions. As a large comprehensive testing organization which runs on the basis of ISO/IEC 17925, the report provided by PONY TEST obtain international approval and international notarization & credit. Up to now, we have set up 4 large laboratories in China, 6 branches and 21 offices in UK, HK etc., formed an international testing network. In 2007, it honored "Deloitte Technology Fast 50 China" and "Deloitte Technology Fast 500 Asia Pacific". See www[dot]ponytest[dot]com/about-en[dot]html

Here are the four new reported test results performed for Ryan by Pony and they are very encouraging. Note. Click on the photo after opening to enlarge the photo. Maybe some good news for a change–--Sun

Results For Propylene Glycol
www[dot]ruyan[dot]com[dot]cn/UploadFile/20081120052241578[dot]jpg
Results For Chemical Reaction When Cartridge is Atomized
www[dot]ruyan[dot]com[dot]cn/UploadFile/20081120052835906[dot]jpg
Results For Zero Nicotine Cartridge and Temperature
www[dot]ruyan[dot]com[dot]cn/UploadFile/20081120051915593[dot]jpg
Results For Nicotine in Cartridges
www[dot]ruyan[dot]com[dot]cn/UploadFile/20081120052713875[dot]jpg

 

[murf43143]

Good read, thanks Bob.

We are all in a time of new experiences here, and I like that everyone is keeping everyone else updated on their health, especially the old time (1+ year) vapers.

Between this and the NZ article and my health, I am proud of myself for making this lifestyle choice.

 

[Lithium1330]

If this report has been around since 2008, then where does the FDA get off telling us no testing has been done yet?

Or is the FDA expecting us to subject a group of test subjects to it for a few generations before letting it pass?

The manufacturers or resellers need to present the studies for get approval to the FDA.

 

[DaveyRoots]

make me begin to speculate the FDA might be getting some heavy "political contributions" from certain "competitors" IE big tobacco thus pursuading them not to expidite testing. just a theory.


well at least i know thats whats goin on with medicinal marijuana testing in the states



*long sigh*

 

[shajiver]

I saw this report about 2 months ago when I first found out about ecigs and started reading. I'm no chemist but I was able to garner enough to see from a purely scientific standpoint that it is indeed safer than smoked tobacco, however I would be more interested even to see a report from those that want to shut ecigs down. I'm sure we will see a few.

 

[stpeters]

...and can be used to wean the smoker off ‘cigarette smoking’ in a controlled manner.

Is it just me, or is this a specific claim of being an NRT?

Sentences like this seem to be the singular bullwhip that unleashes the hounds of the FDA... perhaps TW would like to resubmit/update/amend that part of the report if possible?

 

[taukimada]

Is it just me, or is this a specific claim of being an NRT?

Sentences like this seem to be the singular bullwhip that unleashes the hounds of the FDA... perhaps TW would like to resubmit/update/amend that part of the report if possible?

it's not their report to ammend.. the report is from a testing laboratory.. and that's the people who are legally allowed to make that claim as an opinion derived from their testing..

basically.. they tested it.. so they can vouch.. not guess

 

[timmyliam81]

I guess people must be aware of the tests done by a respected cigarette smoking expert in New Zealand? These were extensive and included GC MS tests

 

[aldo]

I wonder what strength liquid did they test that contains 9.39% niciotene.

 

[Lithium1330]

I guess people must be aware of the tests done by a respected cigarette smoking expert in New Zealand? These were extensive and included GC MS tests

Those tests ONLY apply to Ruyan products...

 

[scrubadub]

Isn't this the same report that's been on the Totally Wicked site for months?