First attempt at mixing.. Am I making it too strong?

[THE]

So I took a quick shot at it and mixed up and incredibly strong horrible tasting disgusting e-juice.

Then, on the second attempt, I'm in love with myself because this is incredibly good.

I used the 100mg nic juice from xtremevaping.com and some flavor from perfumers apprentice.

I got 100mg nic juice (30ml) in a PG base..
I also have a bottle of VG

How do you use the menthol from Perfumers Apprentice? I think that I used way too much... and it seems way way too "sharp" or "bitter" to me. Well, not really "bitter", I don't want to make it sound BAD... It seems like TRUE MENTHOL.. Like it's made to be mixed with something else??

I used 5 drops 100mg nic juice 10 drops menthol flavor and 10 drops vg.. just to try it. I think I hate the menthol flavor by itself but it has potential.. And I definitely used FAR TOO MUCH, right?


Anyway.. I used some creme de menthe from the same place ... It's very very good. Here's what I seem to like, but I've not vaped it much AT ALL ... I don't seem to be vaping much at all and I think I've got the juice way way too strong

40 drops 100mg nic juice
20 drops creme de menthe flavoring
15 drops VG

I made over 50mg juice, I think.. If I understand how it works
I feel just a little sick to my stomach and a very slight headache .. but no sweating or anything. I definitely haven't vaped much, at all, on this stuff.

I'm on my way to check those calculator things out, to make sure I have this right.. Levy showed me a really good one and I didn't pay much attention

That guy Levy at Xtremevaping he's aces I'd recommend him to anyone!

 

[ckc]

I haven't used Perfumers Apprentice but mixing small batches first is the best way to go.Normally 10% of flavouring is a good start.e.g.10 drops PG/VG to 1 flavour. That way you can always add if the flavouring isn't strong enough.

Your last mix, yes you've got it right,it's just over 50mg

I like Levy's E-Liquid too!

 

[THE]

I haven't used Perfumers Apprentice but mixing small batches first is the best way to go.Normally 10% of flavouring is a good start.e.g.10 drops PG/VG to 1 flavour. That way you can always add if the flavouring isn't strong enough.

Your last mix, yes you've got it right,it's just over 50mg

I like Levy's E-Liquid too!

I mixed the little bit of that I'd made with some regular e-liquid I have and some more flavoring and VG .... Vaping more, now ... Tastes.... good!

 

[ckc]

Taste is always an individual thing, thats why i like DIY,you can mix it to what you like, be it a light flavour or strong.Yeh,i've gone through quite a few flavours and some i thought i'd like i hated and never made again but making a small batch means you've not really lost much.

I chain vape at 24mg, if i'm going out i'll use 36mg so i dont hit it so much,can't say i've ever tried 50mg

 

[Kate51]

THE, please note:

I don't use liquid menthol, but crystals.. and when I add a "pinch" it's a tiny pinch!! It is very strong.
If you have a good flavor going but just want to dilute it down a bit, add just your ratio of nic/juice and VG to make another batch with no flavors, it may just be ok.


BUT: If you are using 100mg nicotine juice at a 40 to 35 drop ratio you are vaping some killer juice there, nicotine speaking. You're vaping about a 50mg nic from what I can figure out. At a ratio of 1:1 (1 ml of 100mg nic to 1 ml of flavor and plain VG) you have two ml's of 50mg nic per ml. Your recipe as stated would give you a little over 50mg of nicotine, not quite 55mg, I realize you're using drops, I'm illustrating in milliliters. But are you sure you want it that heavy??? It's a little dangerous even to handle at that strength. You can absorb it into your skin if it spills.....just worrying a little here. That's pretty powerful stuff. I would have a wretching stomach, a spinning head and ears ringing in the New Year, and need a stretcher and CPR ASAP. I've seen people say they vape 40mg/ml juice, but that is very unusual. 40-60 mg of nicotine can stop your heart. If you use 100mg/ml juice, it would only take ½ ml of that stuff!!

When I first started I used 24mg/ml nic all day everyday, it kept me happy as a clam. And I was a 3 pack a day smoker. Some people need it a little stronger. Are you using the E-Juice Recipe Calculator???
I'm going to give you a link here for the E-Juice Recipe Calculator, it's pretty self explanatory, you use the top part to find the nicotine density you want, and it shows you on the bottom part how much of each it mix for that density. Click on the top part to calculate the amounts in the bottom part after you fill in the little windows. Play around with it a bit to see how it works, if you haven't used it before.
It's a good Idea to print out a hard copy for use. You can make different recipes for different flavorings, etc.
You can use drops or Milliliter (ml) measure, which is what I recommend highly. More accurate that way, OK? Unless you use the same dropper for all of the liquids, different viscosities will not yield the same volume, however a ml is always a ml.

Open it and make a shortcut on your desktop so you have it handy. GOOD LUCK!!

eJuice Recipe Calculator

USE the Calculator for SAFETY. DO NO HARM. Make sure you don't inadvertently expose kids or pets or old people to 100mg juice, or any strength.
You kind of have to play around with what % of flavoring you like, most people use about 20% but that's variable to your taste.

 

[Nikhil]

Read what Kate said thoroughly, and try not to die.

Menthol drops are usually used at 1 drop per 2-5ml depending on how concentrated they are and how strong you want it.

 

[Jynn]

If you like to measure in drops, I prefer this calculator :
e-Juice Calculator | ecigexpress

It allows you to input how many of YOUR drops = 1 ml so that it can give you a more accurate recipe.
I would also suggest you read over this thread since you seem to be new to DIY :
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/74109-guide-diy-flavoring.html
It has a ton of useful information

PLEASE be careful with that 100mg nic. It is dangerous stuff, at the concentration you're currently using it I'm surprised you didn't get very sick vaping that. you should not be handling it without gloves, if you have children or pets, make sure its in a child proof bottle and kept somewhere safe.

That said :
I would try starting with about 15% flavoring and 1 drop menthol per ML. Let it sit around for about an hour or so to let the flavors absorb, and after trying it, if you found it too weak, up the flavor/menthol by just 1 drop at a time

Personally I prefer to make my test using small batches of 0mg juice so you're not wasting nic while you try to perfect a flavor.

 

[THE]

THE, please note:

I don't use liquid menthol, but crystals.. and when I add a "pinch" it's a tiny pinch!! It is very strong.
If you have a good flavor going but just want to dilute it down a bit, add just your ratio of nic/juice and VG to make another batch with no flavors, it may just be ok.


BUT: If you are using 100mg nicotine juice at a 40 to 35 drop ratio you are vaping some killer juice there, nicotine speaking. You're vaping about a 50mg nic from what I can figure out. At a ratio of 1:1 (1 ml of 100mg nic to 1 ml of flavor and plain VG) you have two ml's of 50mg nic per ml. Your recipe as stated would give you a little over 50mg of nicotine, not quite 55mg, I realize you're using drops, I'm illustrating in milliliters. But are you sure you want it that heavy??? It's a little dangerous even to handle at that strength. You can absorb it into your skin if it spills.....just worrying a little here. That's pretty powerful stuff. I would have a wretching stomach, a spinning head and ears ringing in the New Year, and need a stretcher and CPR ASAP. I've seen people say they vape 40mg/ml juice, but that is very unusual. 40-60 mg of nicotine can stop your heart. If you use 100mg/ml juice, it would only take ½ ml of that stuff!!

When I first started I used 24mg/ml nic all day everyday, it kept me happy as a clam. And I was a 3 pack a day smoker. Some people need it a little stronger. Are you using the E-Juice Recipe Calculator???
I'm going to give you a link here for the E-Juice Recipe Calculator, it's pretty self explanatory, you use the top part to find the nicotine density you want, and it shows you on the bottom part how much of each it mix for that density. Click on the top part to calculate the amounts in the bottom part after you fill in the little windows. Play around with it a bit to see how it works, if you haven't used it before.
It's a good Idea to print out a hard copy for use. You can make different recipes for different flavorings, etc.
You can use drops or Milliliter (ml) measure, which is what I recommend highly. More accurate that way, OK? Open it and make a shortcut on your desktop so you have it handy. GOOD LUCK!! If more questions go to DIY Threads and yell for help.I would not be surprised if a MOD moved this Thread to DIY. With the appropriate warnings posted.

USE the Calculator for SAFETY. DO NO HARM. Make sure you don't inadvertently expose kids or pets or old people to 100mg juice, or any strength.
You kind of have to play around with what % of flavoring you like, most people use about 20% but that's variable to your taste.

Thanks for the warning.. I'm glad I have it figured correctly!!
Like I said I didn't vape that 50mg much AT ALL
I ended up mixing it with some more flavor, some more vg and some cheap 24mg liquid I had laying around .... I'm between 10 and 20mg right now .. Closer to 10..

I definitely don't WANT 50 ....

 

[THE]

Read what Kate said thoroughly, and try not to die.

Menthol drops are usually used at 1 drop per 2-5ml depending on how concentrated they are and how strong you want it.

That's why I had been going so easy on it and why I added more flavoring, vg and regular 24 liquid to it ...

The 50 wasn't going to hurt me because I was going so easy on it, but it's definitely a better experience for me between 10 and 20!!!

 

[Kate51]

Good to see you have it under control. I was kind of worried for you. It is true, you will know pretty quickly you've overdone it!!! however, the kicker is, with vaping it does take a few minutes for the effect of OD to hit you. So in the meantime if you puffed more of it until it hit, it may be too much too late. You'd be very sick, but if there's a predisposed problem it can be dangerous, we don't want anyone to get hurt. I got desperately sick once on 36mg/ml, for about an hour I really wasn't sure if it would be ok. But so sick all I could do was lay down. I probably wouldn't have gotten help. My heart must be ok!! People with BP issues or other illness may be in big trouble very quickly, unable to help themselves or help arrive too late.
I did edit my post from this morning, took out the red print at the bottom, and also added this:

You can use drops or Milliliter (ml) measure, which is what I recommend highly. More accurate that way, OK? Unless you use the same dropper for all of the liquids, different viscosities will not yield the same volume, however a ml is always a ml.

 

[THE]

Good to see you have it under control. I was kind of worried for you. It is true, you will know pretty quickly you've overdone it!!! however, the kicker is, with vaping it does take a few minutes for the effect of OD to hit you. So in the meantime if you puffed more of it until it hit, it may be too much too late. You'd be very sick, but if there's a predisposed problem it can be dangerous, we don't want anyone to get hurt. I got desperately sick once on 36mg/ml, for about an hour I really wasn't sure if it would be ok. But so sick all I could do was lay down. I probably wouldn't have gotten help. My heart must be ok!! People with BP issues or other illness may be in big trouble very quickly, unable to help themselves or help arrive too late.
I did edit my post from this morning, took out the red print at the bottom, and also added this:

Thank you for your concern... I'm pretty well aware of the way nicotine affects my body.. so I should be okay

The delayed reaction is a good point, too, I guess the absorption is flatter.. like a poker tournament that pays more places ... and I think it is a good thing

 

[Kate51]

Yeah, not quick-hitting as in cigarette smoking.
Nice for you to share your concerns here, may just help others to be more conscious of what can happen if we're not careful.

 

[THE]

Yeah, not quick-hitting as in cigarette smoking.
Nice for you to share your concerns here, may just help others to be more conscious of what can happen if we're not careful.

Agreed. People need to know!
You'd think anyone stupid enough to kill themselves handling nicotine would not have made it to whatever age they happen to be ... but you NEVER KNOW these days!!

 

[THE]

Yeah, not quick-hitting as in cigarette smoking.
Nice for you to share your concerns here, may just help others to be more conscious of what can happen if we're not careful.

Agreed. People need to know!
You'd think anyone stupid enough to kill themselves handling nicotine would not have made it to whatever age they happen to be ... but you NEVER KNOW these days!!

 

[THE]

Yeah, not quick-hitting as in cigarette smoking.
Nice for you to share your concerns here, may just help others to be more conscious of what can happen if we're not careful.

Agreed. People need to know!
You'd think anyone stupid enough to kill themselves handling nicotine would not have made it to whatever age they happen to be ... but you NEVER KNOW these days!!

 

[Kate51]

I don't mean to imply you or anyone else is stupid to misuse or miss-handle nicotine, some of this comes from the enthusiasm (I know just how you felt making your first batch of your very own juice!) and just plain desensitization, we use our juice every day, day after day and we forget to be careful...or notice we haven't died yet so it's ok. Stuff happens. Complacency happens.
Believe it or not, some of us do need to be reminded it can be dangerous if mishandled. Or when spaced out. (before coffee was done, just a quick batch...)
I've done it myself, just not concentrating on what I was doing, in a hurry. I ruined a $50 bottle of Nicotiana Rustica (the Elixir of Mankind!) one day by squirting 3.2ml syringeful of 36mg nic into it, instead of the batch bottle. Then I pulled back when I saw what I did and spilled the whole thing all over the counter. If you ever smelled un-cut Rustica absolute on your countertop for a week you'd know what I mean! Not only all the $$$$$ down the drain, I felt a little stupid as well ~ When I realized I was just wiping up 36mg nic with a paper towel full of it and all over my hands. I actually was getting more shakey as I mopped up. Amazing how big a puddle 18.2ml of liquid can make.
Some days it just doesn't pay to get up. When absolute gets on your skin it almost has to wear off! And, felt stupid all over again when I had to re-order my Rustica. Can't be without it. An un-anticipated expense, for sure.
Sort of an odd but earthy perfume, though, I love the aroma but not for a week.
I should have hung my HAZMAT signs up first. My husband still thinks I could kill myself, so I just don't tell him all my kitchen secrets.

 

[THE]

I don't mean to imply you or anyone else is stupid to misuse or misshandle nicotine, some of this is the enthusiasm (I know just how you felt making your first batch of your very own juice!) and just plain desensitization, we use our juice every day, day after day and we forget to be careful...or notice we haven't died yet so it's ok.
Believe it or not, some do need to be reminded it can be dangerous if mishandled. Or when spaced out.
I've done it myself, just not concentrating on what I was doing, in a hurry. I ruined a $50 bottle of Nicotiana Rustica (the Elixir of Mankind!) one day by squirting 3.2ml syringeful of 36mg nic into it, instead of the batch bottle. Then I pulled back when I saw what I did and spilled the whole thing all over the counter. If you ever smelled un-cut Rustica absolute on your countertop for a week you'd know what I mean! Not only all the $$$$$ down the drain, I felt a little stupid as well ~ When I realized I was just wiping up 36mg nic with a paper towel full of it and all over my hands. I actually was getting more shakey as I mopped up. Some days it just doesn't pay to get up. When absolute gets on your skin it almost has to wear off!
Sort of an odd but earthy perfume, though, I love the aroma but not for a week.
I should have hung my HAZMAT signs up first. My husband still thinks I could kill myself, so I just don't tell him these kitchen secrets.

WoW
If I had strong nic juice all over my hands I'd probably wash it away with warm to hot water... I'd almost be afraid to rub my hands together trying to wash my them for being concerned that I'd rub it into my skin ... That would suck.

Don't feel bad about having a bad day. I know what you mean. Some days just don't go well. I can't buy a break sometimes and alot of the time it's because of things other people do and I have to fix it. Idiots. Sigh!!