First Bad Experience may be my last

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DaBrat

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I have no problem whatsoever heaping praise on MadVapes for the excellent shipping and customer service I have received in the past. Today, that is not happening.

I placed an order from you since I was in need of cartos. At the same time I ordered liquid and was quite happy since this was one of the first times that I saw that you had Turkish Blend available. As usual, shipping was first rate. The problem was with the juice.

I ordered two bottles, Menthol and Turkish. On opening the package I noticed that the color of the Turkish was different than what I have come to expect in the past. Instead of any shade of light amber it was almost orange. I understand that sometimes shades can vary, so I gave it a try. Upon filling my first carto, and inhaling, I was overcome by a strong gag reflex. I don't know what is in this bottle but it is definitely not Turkish, nor is it any 'flavor' fit for human consumption. What was in my bottle tasted like a strong checmical, the closest thing I can come to is antibacterial dishwashing liquid. Completely ruined the carto as there is nothing that can overcome the horrid taste.

I contacted Hoog and let him know about the experience and was offered 5 dollars off. Excuse me? The reason being that not everyone likes everything. Oh how I know that! If it was a case of not liking it, it would go in my 'In case of emergency' vape box. This is not the issue. The fact of the matter is that this is so foul that I am not even sure that what is in the bottle is anything that SHOULD be vaped. I have a whole box of things that I have ordered that don't do it for me, among them, several of MadVapes liquids (Kaluha Coffee, Spearmint), however, they are close enough to what they are supposed to be that I figure it is me and not them. This however tastes like juice that had gone bad. Just like any other consumer, when a merchant sells me something that has gone bad, I expect that to be made right. Of all vendors, my experience with MadVapes has led me to believe that this is not too much to expect.

The response from Mad almost leads me to believe that whatever is in this bottle was known ahead of time and it was juice that they were trying to get rid of. I am not new to vaping and Turkish Blend is one of my main staples. I know what it is NOT supposed to taste like. Heck unless the label said Dawn or Ajax, no juice should taste like that. Part of me wants to send it to a lab or the FDA for analysis. We all know that this is a relatively new industry but no one wants to be poisoned or made ill because someone did not mix something correctly or God forbid, someone used something that was never intended for human comsumption to save on production costs, or machine oil contaminated the batch. I have no problem with strong or harsh tastes. I am one of the few who actually enjoy vaping a new atty and the harsh primer taste, but this is too foul even for me.

To say I am disappointed is putting the facts of the matter too mildly. My latest attempts to explain that this is not acceptable and that there is something seriously wrong with the juice have gone completely unanswered.
 
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dude. cant you read?
E-Liquid Policy:
E-Liquid flavor is consistently inconsistent.. The same source of e-liquid may taste different from batch to batch and vendor to vendor. Variations in flavorings, storage, shipping conditions, age and adulteration may affect the taste or vapor production of e-liquid..

Due to variations in e-liquid and peoples preferences we are unable to offer returns, refunds or exchanges for these products. All e-liquid purchases are final.

im sure if he had more than a single person complaining he would look into it. i cant imagine Hoogie going throw all his stock and test try all his flavors on a daily bases for changes or whatever. what tastes horrible to me might be of your liking or somebody elses.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/madvapes/105155-turkish-blend.html#post1582688
 
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blkeyedszn

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dude. cant you read?
E-Liquid Policy:
E-Liquid flavor is consistently inconsistent.. The same source of e-liquid may taste different from batch to batch and vendor to vendor. Variations in flavorings, storage, shipping conditions, age and adulteration may affect the taste or vapor production of e-liquid..

Due to variations in e-liquid and peoples preferences we are unable to offer returns, refunds or exchanges for these products. All e-liquid purchases are final.

There's a difference between flavor tasting "different" from time to time and it being so off tasting that it is making you gag. Just saying...
 

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There's a difference between flavor tasting "different" from time to time and it being so off tasting that it is making you gag. Just saying...
dont you think it could be you? have you seen all the praises Fried Apple gets around here?
Hoogie is great! and it takes time to build a a good reputation. than someone complains and all of a sudden everybody wants to jump in and ruin all that hard work.
 

blkeyedszn

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dont you think it could be you? have you seem all the praises Fried Apple gets around here?
Hoogie is great! and it takes time to build a a good reputation. than someone complains and all of a sudden everybody wants to jump in and ruin all that hard work.

It is VERY possible that it could be me. That's why I haven't contacted Hoogie about this at all. I am going to be sending a sample to someone I know who loves the Fried Apple to they can compare and tell me if that's what it's supposed to taste like or not.

I'm just really surprised because when reading reviews, I can usually taste all of the flavors people mention, whether or not I like those flavors is another story. With the Fried Apple, people mention tasting the apple, the cinnamon and a bready type taste. I taste none of that. ALL I taste is chemical and nothing else. I've never run into that before with any other juice.

I am direct dripping on a 3.7 volt device with LR atty. I can usually really distinguish the different flavors with this set-up. With this stuff I can't.

Again, I fully aware that this could be just me and that's why I'm going to have someone that loves the Fried Apple try it out and give me their opinion.
 

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I'd also like to add that I will happily mail a sample to someone here as well that knows the Fried Apple well so that they can tell me if they think it's bad or not. I really WANT it to be bad so that I know I just got an off batch and I can try again later and get the flavor everyone is raving about. If it's not bad and that's what it supposed to taste like, then I will happily retract my statements and chalk it up to it not being my preference.
 

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I contacted Hoog and let him know about the experience and was offered 5 dollars off.

To say I am disappointed is putting the facts of the matter too mildly. My latest attempts to explain that this is not acceptable and that there is something seriously wrong with the juice have gone completely unanswered.

DaBrat, our reply to you on 7/13

"Hi DaBrat, sorry you didn't like the Turkish.. Unfortunately one of the policies that we really have to enforce is our e-liquid policy..

Everyone's tastes are different as for each person that doesn't like an e-liquid there are 10 that do..

But I also realize that you are a long time customer and appreciate that.. What I can offer you is that on your next order we can send you something different to try out.. We won't do this for everyone but can for you..

Let me know if this is okay.

Thanks, Mark"


I'm really not sure where you got the $5 off thing or why you would post here that you got no response.

If you think our offer is unreasonable then you should have responded to our email.

Plus just the thought we are knowlingly selling bad juice is utterly rediculous.. These are sealed bottles from China and each manufacturer is stated on the listing. Now does this mean that there couldn't be a bad batch/bottle or whatever? No. Anything is possible that's why we offered to send you something different if you wanted.

And yes, we want to get rid of ALL of our juice, it's what we do :).


hoog
 
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All the juice I ordered was okay. I have ordered juice from other vendors that tasted like soap and dirty sox but it was just that batch of juice or that flavor. Hoog doesn't make that juice, he just sells it and wouldn't be in business long if he refunded on every one who didn't like the taste. They are one of my top vendors and are way above board.
 
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blkeyedszn

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Just wanted to say that my friend got back to me that sampled my Fried Apples juice. This is her favorite juice, so I figured she'd be a good person to tell me if it was bad or it was just me. Turns out she said it was perfectly fine.

So I wanted to say sorry for dogging on it. Tastes are different for everyone and this one just wasn't for me, but I want to reiterate that there was absolutely nothing wrong with the juice I received.
 
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Something else that was not posted, was this liquid put into a 'new' carto? I've had some stuff that I had been vaping taste pretty bad in a new carto because of the primer they put on them. That primer taste is not consistent carto to carto either, some are fine out of the box, some take a blowing out & a couple of fills before they taste right.

I've bought a lot of liquid from MV & can honestly say it has all been good.
 

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No, I was direct dripping onto a LR atty. I even tried to doctor it up with a little AC and it still didn't do it for me. I'm wondering if it was possible that is was higher nic (I got 24mg and usually vape between 6-12mg) that changed the taste for me. I'm still going to try again when the 0 nic is available and see if cutting it makes it taste better to me. If not, oh well, you can't win them all.
 

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No, I was direct dripping onto a LR atty. I even tried to doctor it up with a little AC and it still didn't do it for me. I'm wondering if it was possible that is was higher nic (I got 24mg and usually vape between 6-12mg) that changed the taste for me. I'm still going to try again when the 0 nic is available and see if cutting it makes it taste better to me. If not, oh well, you can't win them all.

If you've got one, try it on a regular atty. That LR is burning hotter, maybe some juices just can't handle the heat?:)
 

blkeyedszn

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Perhaps some can't Sci, but I assure you that Fried Apple can and does handle HV and LR atties just fine. Not sure what these folks' problem is.

Hey be nice! Jeez! I just said it wasn't for me, why does that automatically mean I have a problem? There are probably things that I love that aren't your favorite. Everyone likes different things so no need to get nasty.
 
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