First day off cigs and vaping help please

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Sassytat

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Hi Everyone! I'm new to vaping... Actually just got a passthrough ego with a clearomizer yesterday. My sister quit smoking due to vaping so I wanted to as well. I had it in my head that I was going to get this and quit cold turkey and be done with smoking. Well, it's becoming harder than I thought and wondered if I could get some advise. I'm not sure if I'm vamping wrong... Or if I need juice with more nicotine in it (I got 18mg nic) but I definitely know I'm going through nicotine withdrawals... Headache, nervous, sweaty hands. Any advice would be appreciated. Is this normal? Thanks!!
 

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Are you sure it's withdrawls? I know that sounds like a silly question but is it possible you're vaping too much? 18mg is not over the top but it isn't a low amount either. Headaches are very common when you vape too much. Are you drinking plenty of water? If you truly feel they are withdrawls then my advise is simple...Vape more. I promise it will get easier
 

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I'd first want to know how much you used to smoke and type of cigarette. From there we can speculate what would suit you best.

Edit for encouragement:
BTW, you don't have to just quit unless that's what you want to do. Take your time and find what works for you. Every single person on this forum will tell you that we all do things slightly different. You will get to where you want given some time and we will help.
 

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Welcome to ECF Sassytat. How much and what did you smoke? I started with 18mg, with some 24 for first thing in the morning as a "kick start". My best advice to you is to take long, slow drags. It also helps to "pre-heat" your juice by pushing the button about a second before you start inhaling.
It gets better. Don't worry if you have cravings. I actually smoked and vaped at the same time for six months before finally quitting. I didn't really plan to quit, though.
Remember, count the cigarettes you don't smoke - not the ones you do. :)
 

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I was thinking the same thing last night... So today I've only vaped when I would normally smoke... And am not vaping as long as I smoke... Only a few minutes... Last night I had the same feelings and was vaping a lot but I had a cig as well and the headache went away though I'm trying not to do that today. Also... Is it normally hard to get used to inhaling with vaping? Seems like I'm not inhaling enough but if I try I Inhale too much and cough my brains out lol Thanks for the responses!
 

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Sounds more like you are coming down from the other chemicals in the cigarette(s).
Like patsfan1130 said, drink plenty of water.

It may sound horrible, but if you need to get a pack of ultralight cigarettes, preferable some crap generic brand.
Take a few hits if it gets bad. Better to ween yourself slowly than to give up on Vaping.

Some may disagree with this method.
 

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I was thinking the same thing last night... So today I've only vaped when I would normally smoke... And am not vaping as long as I smoke... Only a few minutes... Last night I had the same feelings and was vaping a lot but I had a cig as well and the headache went away though I'm trying not to do that today. Also... Is it normally hard to get used to inhaling with vaping? Seems like I'm not inhaling enough but if I try I Inhale too much and cough my brains out lol Thanks for the responses!

Yep. Takes a while to get used to the vape. I coughed my head off the first time I tried an ecig. :) I hear of smokers that used to draw directly into the lungs. If you're one of those, try holding the vape in your mouth for a few seconds before inhaling. :)
 

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With your type and number I would think 18mg would be fine.

Vaping is enough different from smoking to get you coughing. As recommended by others, draw vaper into your mouth and ease it down if you wish. You will get nicotine without inhaling at all so the inhale is optional. You should also be aware that nicotine uptake is much slower with vape. 30-45 seconds for it to start coming up and you typically won't get the "rush" as a cigarette will hit you in about 3 seconds flat.
 

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I smoked Malboro Smooth 100's :)

Malboro Smooth? You just solved a mystery for me. I bought a juice called "smooth", and had never heard of the "Smooth" cigarette it was supposed to imitate. I've never seen them here. Thanks for the clarification. :)
If you're interested, it's super cheap. I found it at Blue Mist vaping dot com. It's kind of a chocolate mint flavor. I like it, but taste is subjective. If you decide to try, get a small sample bottle before trying a big one. Oh yeah, and don't try the cherry flavors. :)
 

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It's quite a game we play when we start. Many of the symptoms you describe can be linked to withdrawal OR too much nicotine. I would recommend getting some lower nicotine juice, or some plain VG from Walmart. That way you can mix and experiment with different levels. Balance is what you're seeking...somewhere between OMG I need an smoke and running around like a headless chicken.
 

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I find vaping a bit through out the day to be the best when it comes to cravings. I'm on day 12th now and vaping every few minutes gets me through everything without much effort. If you wait till you crave it then the vape wont do it for you, you'll keep telling yourself "I need a cig I need a cig" so the vape wont feel satisfying, but if you get ahead of the cravings and do it through out the day you wont feel any withdrawls (atleast thats whats going on with me). Good luck and stay strong!
 

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It's quite a game we play when we start. Many of the symptoms you describe can be linked to withdrawal OR too much nicotine. I would recommend getting some lower nicotine juice, or some plain VG from Walmart. That way you can mix and experiment with different levels. Balance is what you're seeking...somewhere between OMG I need an smoke and running around like a headless chicken.
Haha I know the OMG I need a smoke and am running round like a headless chicken feeling!!!
 

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Okay, first things first: go get a glass of water for that headache and drink it while you read this. If you can manage it, have two. I'm sure I'll type enough to last you. ;)

The headache/sweating/shaking does sound like it could be too much nicotine, rather than too little. However, if you've tried to quit before and know what your personal nicotine-withdrawal symptoms are, that's more significant that any "most people" advice we can give you. Of course, you might be experiencing both at the same time -- too much nicotine, plus a craving for something else that you've been trying to satisfy with nicotine instead. That seems likeliest to me.

There are a lot of addictive substances in tobacco smoke other than nicotine, and different brands contain different addictive substances, so your "nicotine withdrawals" might actually be withdrawals from something else in tobacco smoke that vaping more nicotine won't satisfy.

You know how people say chocolate is addictive? There's a substance in chocolate called theobromine, similar to caffeine but a weaker stimulant. It's what makes people say chocolate is addictive, and also contributes to chocolate's reputation as an aphrodisiac.

I know Marlboro Reds have theobromine in them; I'm not sure whether their other flavors do. But it might be that a square of dark chocolate would help take the edge off your cravings. (Ah, to have the disease that needs that cure!) If you don't like chocolate, you could try tea or a cola; they have a little theobromine in them, too.

If that doesn't help, there are several things you can try. Some people just keep having a few cigarettes a day to taper off their other addictions while they retrain their nicotine addiction to attach itself to vaping instead of smoking. Some people use snus or another smokeless tobacco, to avoid smoking and still get the full panoply of addictive stuff in tobacco.

In my opinion and experience, which is to say that this is neither tentatively stated nor objectively factual, most people do better with a gentle approach to quitting smoking and more emphasis on enjoying vaping. I know a couple of people who took the grim-determination approach, treating vaping like patches or gum and turning it almost into a punishment to themselves for craving cigarettes, and they both still smoke. (A third person, who used to take that approach once a year or so and go back to smoking in a week, one day discovered an ecig he just enjoyed the daylights out of, changed attitudes, and quit smoking that weekend.) I have a lot of anecdotal evidence to suggest that a playful attitude of enjoyment toward vaping will improve your chances of success in quitting over a determined/desperate-to-quit strictness. The plural of anecdote isn't "data", but at some point, it does become "statistics".

Above all, don't panic, and don't quit vaping. There's a lot of good information here in the new members forum and in the infozone on what to expect while you switch. I quit smoking "accidentally" and effortlessly, blowing right past the nicotine cravings, while trying a kit I was going to give a friend, but weeks later, I was still getting bizarre symptoms -- acne like I've never had before, new kinds of headache, mood swings, insomnia, lethargy, and all kinds of weirdness; part of it was withdrawal from the other stuff in tobacco, part of it was over- or under-dosing myself as I tried to figure out how vaping differs from smoking, part of it was underestimating how dehydrating vaping can be, and part of it was my skin and other organs getting rid of the accumulated crud I'd been taking in with the tobacco smoke.

Some people are sensitive to propylene glycol (PG), used as the base liquid in a lot of ecig juices. The infozone has more about what that sensitivity feels like; it doesn't sound like what's going on with you, but it's worth a look. You can get vegetable-glycerine-based (VG) liquids instead to see if those agree with you better.

Your own brain will teach you how to vape, because it wants that nicotine; it's taking secret notes on everything that works and everything that doesn't. It wants you to give it nicotine as efficiently as possible. But that's still a trial-and-error based approach; you have to do something once for your brain to figure out how efficient or inefficient it is. You have to consciously come up with the ideas to try for your brain to evaluate them.

I'm afraid this also means you're going to have to play. I know, it's worse than the chocolate thing! ;) Blow vapor rings. Try French inhaling and exhaling. Try pulling the vapor into your mouth and holding it there before inhaling. Eventually, you'll find yourself settling into the pattern that works best for you.

If you find that you're spending a lot of time chain-vaping to address your cravings, get up and move around. If you have the eGo passthrough that you can unplug and carry with you, do that and go walk the dog (or the cat, or the neighbor's ferret), do some housework, whatever -- anything that needs a little bit of your mind and a lot of your hands. You can keep the eGo in your pocket and pull it out when you want a puff, but then put it back and keep doing things. If you can't detach it and carry it around, get involved in something engaging at your computer -- a game, a chat conversation, a really interesting comment thread -- that makes you put the ecig down to operate the keyboard/mouse/controller and go to the tiny extra effort of picking it back up to take a puff. We don't want you overdosing. Stomachaches, acid reflux, jitters, and all the other smoked-too-much symptoms are easier to get to with vaping, because you don't have your lungs protesting the abuse to slow you down. So don't focus on vaping to kill the cravings -- just make sure your hands are busy, but your ecig is in reach. It's better if you do something you enjoy, to help form a positive association with vaping.

You're vaping, and you're here where folks can help you figure it out, so you're already doing the main things right. Everything else is details.
 
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nosaint

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I find vaping a bit through out the day to be the best when it comes to cravings. I'm on day 12th now and vaping every few minutes gets me through everything without much effort. If you wait till you crave it then the vape wont do it for you,

That's what I did for the first few days, I also think there are more addictive elements in cigarettes than nicotine. Nic may be the primary, but there is something else going on. I had withdrawal symptoms for a good week 10 days, but I was also reducing my nic too fast.
 
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