First DIY - How to mix base?

[Squidward]

Heading to the post office in the morning to pick up my first DIY order from Wizard Labs, and figured the easiest first step would be to mix up 120ml of VG/PG/nic unflavored base to experiment with. I've looked at a few mixing calculators and can't figure out where to plug in what numbers given the materials I ordered, and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

I've ordered:

250ml 12mg Nicotine solution (PG base)
250ml PG
250ml VG

My target base mix, based on what I'm vaping now, is 40%VG/60%PG @ 6mg/ml Nicotine, and I'm really confusing myself over these quantities. At a 6mg nicotine target, half and half pure PG and half 12mg nicotine PG should result in a 6mg PG solution, but PG is only 60% of my base, so does that give me only a 3.6mg nicotine base?

I'd really appreciate it if someone could dumb this down for my addled old slept-through-math, skipped-chemistry brain.

 

[r77r7r]

Ejuicemeup calc has/had a nic base option in the tools menu. Pretty easy.

 

[r77r7r]

eJuice Me Up - Best eJuice Calculator

 

[Susan~S]

For a juice mixing calculator consider using eJuiceMeUp and video tutorial on using it (if you are mixing by volume).

If you are interested in mixing by weight (vs volume) here are a couple of great videos

• How to Use an eJuice Calculator and Mix with a Scale
• Mixing by Weight (a DIY Tutorial)

Don't mix a huge batch if you are planning on adding flavorings at some point.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Heading to the post office in the morning to pick up my first DIY order from Wizard Labs, and figured the easiest first step would be to mix up 120ml of VG/PG/nic unflavored base to experiment with. I've looked at a few mixing calculators and can't figure out where to plug in what numbers given the materials I ordered, and I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction.

I've ordered:

250ml 12mg Nicotine solution (PG base)
250ml PG
250ml VG

My target base mix, based on what I'm vaping now, is 40%VG/60%PG @ 6mg/ml Nicotine, and I'm really confusing myself over these quantities. At a 6mg nicotine target, half and half pure PG and half 12mg nicotine PG should result in a 6mg PG solution, but PG is only 60% of my base, so does that give me only a 3.6mg nicotine base?

I'd really appreciate it if someone could dumb this down for my addled old slept-through-math, skipped-chemistry brain.

Don't get confused, you've come to the correct place. Basically, you will use based on a 10ml finished product with 10% flavor and 6mg40/60vg/pg is only 5ml of your actual nic base and 4 ml of vg and 1ml of flavoring to total 100% of your 10ml bottle.
I am using the calc here Ejuice calculator (added quantity calculations) .

The thread starts with version 13 but the lasest version is found in the author of the thread(1st post) in the signature line of member Scubabatdan.
Hope this helps.

eta....since most flavorings come mixed in pg consider the flavorings at part of total pg used in the mix, then figuring out the pg/vg ratio becomes easier.

 

[Squidward]

Ejuicemeup calc has/had a nic base option in the tools menu. Pretty easy.

For a juice mixing calculator consider using eJuiceMeUp and video tutorial on using it (if you are mixing by volume).

Basically, you will use based on a 10ml finished product with 10% flavor and 6mg40/60vg/pg is only 5ml of your actual nic base and 4 ml of vg and 1ml of flavoring to total 100% of your 10ml bottle.

That's a HUGE help, thank you folks so much! I haven't been able to get Scubabatdan's current calculator to download (will keep trying), but I think I got everything plugged into the eJuice Me Up calculator correctly, and based on the numbers Sugar_and_Spice provided, the measurements work out, so I think I'm good to go!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

That's a HUGE help, thank you folks so much! I haven't been able to get Scubabatdan's current calculator to download (will keep trying), but I think I got everything plugged into the eJuice Me Up calculator correctly, and based on the numbers Sugar_and_Spice provided, the measurements work out, so I think I'm good to go!
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Happy to help. Haven't used this particular calculator but it looks easy enough. I was wondering why the numbers didn't totally match mine until I noticed the space for the pg/vg ratio of the nic base is still at 100% pg in the calculator. Had me going for a micro-minute. LOL

 

[Squidward]

I was wondering why the numbers didn't totally match mine until I noticed the space for the pg/vg ratio of the nic base is still at 100% pg in the calculator.

Did I do that wrong? There's no VG in my 12mg PG nic base, so I thought I was telling the calculator my nic juice was all (100%) PG with 12mg nic.

I also set my flavoring at 0/0 PG/VG. The calc's readme says most flavoring is PG-based, but the mfgr's description for the TFA Orange Cream reads "undiluted, full strength flavor concentrate" and doesn't list any PG or VG content, so I assume there's zero PG/VG in the flavor. Does that sound right?

 

[Train2]

You have it exactly right - except for that last note - those flavors MOST likely ARE PG based.
But you've got the idea right for using that calculator. I use it too!
In case you didn't realize, it - you can click "Save As" and keep the recipe to use, adjust and save again next time - so when you get something you love, you know how you did it.
Also, click File...Open...and find like 300 built-in recipes you can look over.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Nope, you did fine.
REdoing this post.

 

[Squidward]

You have it exactly right - except for that last note - those flavors MOST likely ARE PG based.
But you've got the idea right for using that calculator. I use it too!
In case you didn't realize, it - you can click "Save As" and keep the recipe to use, adjust and save again next time - so when you get something you love, you know how you did it.
Also, click File...Open...and find like 300 built-in recipes you can look over.

Great, thank you. Good to know about the assumption of PG-based flavors.

Nope, you did fine. Had in in my head your nic base was 12mg 50/50. My mistake. so sorry.
I was looking at that also in the calculator. Impressive. Mostly, its kinda assumed that flavorings are in pg and the original calculator(guess you might call them the old days, lol) doesn't take that variable into account. I know this is so confusing and a lot of information goes into DIY and the last thing I wanted to do was cause any more. Could blame it on the late hour but truth is I had it in my head the nic base was 50/50/.....

Thanks again! Can't wait to get started!

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Gonna play with the new calculator, it looks interesting.
Good luck....let us know how its going...

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

You have it exactly right - except for that last note - those flavors MOST likely ARE PG based.
But you've got the idea right for using that calculator. I use it too!
In case you didn't realize, it - you can click "Save As" and keep the recipe to use, adjust and save again next time - so when you get something you love, you know how you did it.
Also, click File...Open...and find like 300 built-in recipes you can look over.

@Train2
By not checking the pg/vg ratio in the flavorings on the ejuice me up calculator isn't that throwing off the ratio in the finished product. Personally, using this calculation is a little confusing for me without actually playing with it to figure it out and that is why I am asking you. First, how would we know what %pg/vg would be in those flavors considering that it is only present as a carrying base? But in the calculator not using that variable throws the finished product off of the ratio by 5%. I calculate 65% pg ratio in that it is using 6.5 ml of product so that makes the ratio of vg 35% or 3.5 ml.
I know that this is probably being too picky but just wanting to understand a little more.

Thanks

 

[Train2]

Yes - what I MEANT to say was that MOST flavors are mostly PG, and should be entered into the calculator as if they were 100% PG. We know that it's not - that "concentrated flavoring" is probably 10% flavor chemicals and 90% PG - but THAT is close enough. There are some VG based flavors - you'd know if you were buying those probably, as you have to kind of look for them.
I'm not sure what flavorings would be "zero PG/VG" - unless it were some kind of NET or pure extract or something...

@Train2
By not checking the pg/vg ratio in the flavorings on the ejuice me up calculator isn't that throwing off the ratio in the finished product. Personally, using this calculation is a little confusing for me without actually playing with it to figure it out and that is why I am asking you. First, how would we know what %pg/vg would be in those flavors considering that it is only present as a carrying base? But in the calculator not using that variable throws the finished product off of the ratio by 5%. I calculate 65% pg ratio in that it is using 6.5 ml of product so that makes the ratio of vg 35% or 3.5 ml.
I know that this is probably being too picky but just wanting to understand a little more.

Thanks

 

[Train2]

And here - TFA Orange Cream:
Ingredients: Natural and Artificial flavors, Propylene Glycol, Ethyl alcohol

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Yes - what I MEANT to say was that MOST flavors are mostly PG, and should be entered into the calculator as if they were 100% PG. We know that it's not - that "concentrated flavoring" is probably 10% flavor chemicals and 90% PG - but THAT is close enough. There are some VG based flavors - you'd know if you were buying those probably, as you have to kind of look for them.
I'm not sure what flavorings would be "zero PG/VG" - unless it were some kind of NET or pure extract or something...

Thanks. Guess the hour really is late as I had thought my original answer to the op was correct.

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

And here - TFA Orange Cream:
Ingredients: Natural and Artificial flavors, Propylene Glycol, Ethyl alcohol

Just had to poke that bear....didn't ya. LOL......thanks I need that laugh.......

 

[mackman]

Here is another easy to use calculator: DIY E-liquid

 

[Sugar_and_Spice]

Thanks, took a quick peek. Measurements at a glance by weight caught my eye as it wasn't obvious on the ejuice me up calculator altho I think I read its possible.(haven't used it yet)
Never can have too many checks and balances.
Thanks again.

 

[JCinFLA]

@cmayo - Here's another calculator you could use:
e - liquid - recipes . com / create
Just take the spaces out in that. ECF wouldn't allow me to put a link to it here. Have no idea why though. I use the site regularly with no problems!

It's easy to input the variables you provided above about your PG/VG ratio, your 12mg Nic Base in PG, your desired 6mg nic outcome, etc. All you'd need to adjust/change as needed...would be to add the flavorings you'd use, and adjust the quantity you want to make.

Can save recipes on that site as well, once registered and logged in.

Another calculator and recipe maker/saver I use most of the time is: ecigvape.com

I use the 1 that's for up to 9 flavorings in your recipes and is PG/VG adjusting. Easy to set up all your info like in the 1 above, and then change things as needed, too. Also with that 1 you can name and save the recipe for use later...once you register and sign in.